Author Topic: Google search results  (Read 4812 times)

slim

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Google search results
« on: April 30, 2012, 03:45:49 AM »
Over the last 12 months many people have become aware that Google's search results are increasingly fishy and far from trust worthy. I'm raising it here because forum members are obviously computer users and many / most of us rely on Google to find information about bikes and life in general.

The big problem with Google is that it's more or less a monopoly. As we know from history power corrupts and absolute power ... It appears that Google is heading down that path at speed.

Many of us used to be comforted by the knowledge that Google's search results arrived courtesy of an algorithm rather than humans picking winners. That's still the case but there have been a spate of major updates to the algorithm that are creating major anomalies in the results. For example an update last week pushed Sheldon Brown's authoritative site on bike technical information way down the results. It was replaced by a load of spam sites with no useful information. There was an outcry in some quarters and it's bobbed up again, but there are thousands of other reputable sources of information that are now buried 4-5-10-20 pages down the search results. There is obviously quite a bit of anger being expressed by individuals who have invested years developing authoritative web sites that are no longer visible to anyone searching on Google. Take for example Tim Carter below:

http://www.timcarter.com/free_high-quality_content_online_-_how_much_longer.html

Over and above crappy search results there is an even bigger issue - privacy. Google recently changed it's privacy policies and they are a major cause for concern. When one understands that Google stores everything about how users browse, search and communicate it is frightening to say the least.

There is not a lot that the average bloke can do, but switching to an alternative search engine: Bing, Yahoo, duckduckgo.com ... is a good start.

I believe that the U.S. government has started to make moves on the anti-trust front but that will not happen overnight and one doubts the ability of politicians to grasp what is happening.

Apologies for the diatribe.

Disclosure: I develop web sites and felt the pain.


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Re: Google search results
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 04:24:24 AM »
Thanks for bringing this up. I will have to do some exploring and tracking to see what's happening.

I am largely in agreement with John Michael Greer, that we are headed into a general long term collapse of global industrial culture. It's something that will unfold over centuries, with some occasional sudden rough transitions along the way. And of course there will be continual improvements happening throughout, too.

All this is a big part of why I cultivate transportation by bicycle. It's going to become more and more advantageous as the world evolves, and more and more helpful in steering that evolution in as positive direction as possible.

One fascinating dimension of this is the evolution of information technology. What we have accomplished is just stunning. I started writing computer programs around 1970 and I am still at it. I worked about twenty years in the semiconductor industry, helping keep Moore's Law on track, pushing the technology to pack ever more transistors on chips.

What could derail the semiconductor technology train and the information age it has brought? One curious link is economic - chip factories are incredibly expensive. Chip sales volumes have to be huge to keep the unit costs down, to amortize that astronomical up-front investment. If the global economy gets too soft & somehow it becomes too risky to keep building bigger factories... and how much of the business is driven by the advance in technology... slowing sales and slowing technology driving each other... the deviation-amplifying feedback loop we are already in, but just running backwards... that could get rough!

But looking at security, privacy, trust.... if the value of on-line services gets corrupted...

Another of my hobbies is handwriting, exchanging physical letters through the mail. It parallels my interest in bicycling. One of my fantasies nowadays is setting up an alternative postal system using bicycles. The US postal system is facing bankruptcy these days - an alternative might come in handy surprisingly soon!
 
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Re: Google search results
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 01:54:53 PM »
Here are some comments by Dmitri Orlov on politics and electronics:

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/05/making-internet-safe-for-anarchy.html

slim

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Re: Google search results
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2012, 12:22:48 AM »
Thanks for the link Jim. Dmitri's article is excellent.

Understandably it's not an issue that keeps vast numbers of people awake at night. That's not altogether a bad thing. It suggests that most people aren't "feeling" the consequences of Google's unrestrained power - yet! The big concern is that when enough people do and the muttering begins it maybe too late.

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Re: Google search results
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2012, 03:46:51 PM »
Thanks for this heads up. Are any of the others any  better ... such as bing, do you think? I guess even if not, it would still be good to have competition for those who like to taylor our every day reality, opinions and options.  

If this keeps up, google, who have a stunning disregard for privacy and intelectual property may just make the current us government look good intentioned and folksy for a day or two.

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Re: Google search results
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2012, 05:51:21 PM »
If we want to discuss privacy...remember Google can't throw you in jail, but your government can :)

(is that the sound of a black helicopter?)

IMHO Google is not perfect, but patent trolls and stupid laws (ACTA, being able to patent algorithms) are a bigger threat to innovation atm.

For the truly paranoid:
Anonymous surfing
Full harddrive encryption

Are quite useful tools

Pedal to the metal! Wind, rain, hills, braking power permitting ;)

slim

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Re: Google search results
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2012, 01:50:39 AM »
Thanks for this heads up. Are any of the others any  better ... such as bing, do you think?

Absolutely! there are many alternatives to Google products. For example my default search engine is http://duckduckgo.com/. Here's a quote from their privacy policy:  "DDG does not collect or share personal information. That is our privacy policy in a nutshell." They then go onto explain why you should care.

Alternative email: http://www.zoho.com/mail/
Alternatives to YouTube: http://vimeo.com/; http://www.flickr.com/; http://www.viddler.com/
Alternative browser to Chrome: Safari or FireFox

Of course there is upside to sharing all your stuff with Google and mankind in general - you get better targeted adds.  ;)

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