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Mike Ayling

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Chain stretch
« on: December 28, 2014, 11:23:04 PM »
When we got our Thorn tandem the rear EBB was in its maximum forward position, i.e. no scope for chain tightening and now after 3,300km the chain is very loose.
Would removing a link help or do I need a new chain?

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Re: Chain stretch
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2014, 02:08:23 AM »
You ought to be able to remove a link then readjust the EBB and be back in business. The question is, what about wear on the chainring and sprocket? If you run with a lengthened chain, that will make the teeth wear more. On the other hand, if the teeth are already worn, they won't work well on a new chain! So you'll want to look at those chainring & sprocket teeth to see which approach is best!

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Re: Chain stretch
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2014, 09:01:42 AM »
You may think the chain is 'stretched' but it would also depend where the chain was when you started.
On my bike, half the adjustment is used up on a brand new set-up, but still in very good condition.

Remember you need to take out 2 links.

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Re: Chain stretch
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2014, 11:17:35 PM »
Hi Mike!

A little clarification, please. Does your tandem have a derailleur drivetrain with eccentric BB for the crossover drive, or is it a Rohloff drivetrain with eccentric?

On my derailleur tandem with crossover drive, I find the timing chain lasts a very long time thanks in part to running 40t timing chainrings. When the chain stretches within wear limits, I simply take it up using the eccentric, being mindful to replace the chain before it stretches far enough to exceed wear specs. This means I never reach a point where I would need to actually remove a link. I treat the drive side as I would a single bike's derailleur drivetrain, replacing the chain as it approaches its wear limit.

If your tandem has a Rohloff drivetrain, then yes, you should be able to remove a link-pair and dial-back the eccentric to extend chain life, sometimes to an astonishing degree, as the chain and 'rings can wear-in (and wear out!) together and still mesh smoothly as a set, unlike with a derailleur drivetrain. Continuously feeding in new chains as they approach their wear limits will extend the life of the chainring and cog, but may not pencil out in the end when multiple chain replacement costs are weighed against eventual replacement of the whole works (chainring, cog, and chain to start the process anew). Don't forget the chainring and cog on Rohloff drivetrains can be reversed for additional service life.

Best,

Dan.

Mike Ayling

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Re: Chain stretch
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2014, 11:36:03 PM »
Thanks to all who replied.

For Dan, it is a Rohloff and while I had plenty of adjustment of the front EBB for the timing chain there is no adjustment on the rear EBB so removing a pair of links will fix my problem (I hope!)

Mike

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Re: Chain stretch
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2014, 05:06:18 AM »
Thanks, Mike!

All best wishes your way. Be sure to give a shout if you run into trouble.

Dan.

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Re: Chain stretch
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2014, 01:24:40 AM »
I always try to start a job that I am not familiar with in the morning giving me time to get round to the LBS if necessary.

Removing a pair of links made the chain too short with the EBB closest to the rear so off to the LBS for a new chain.

The selection was not great but I ended up with a 8 speed deraileur chain with a lot of Asian writing on the box apart from the 8 speed part in English.

The result after fitting was the EBB in about the same position as when the bike was delivered (closest to the front) with maybe bees dick of adjustment for the future.

We are running 42X17 which was the lowest the Rohloff allowed for tandem use at the time although they have revised the ratios for single bikes since then.

Next the timing chain dropped off one of the rings and I had to get the Stoker to eyeball that the the cranks were properly in phase before tightening the front EBB.

Looking forward to our ride tomorrow- low twenties C has been forecast for Melbourne!

Thanks for all the advice.

Mike

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Re: Chain stretch
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2014, 01:49:39 AM »
Hi Mike!

Thanks for the followup; I hope all goes well for your test ride on the morrow; the weather sounds lovely, no matter the outcome. Enjoy!

Have you considered a half-link? I see SJS Cycles has several available...

Three for 1/2 x 1/8 (so not for derailleur chains):
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gusset-slink-1-2-link-cranked-link-1-2x1/8-pitch-prod21498/?geoc=us
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/kmc-1-2x1-8-z510l-1-2-link-offset-half-connecting-link-prod24828/?geoc=us
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/chain-half-link-1-8-inch-each-prod6981/?geoc=us
...one for 1/2x3/16: http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/kmc-1-2x3-16-z510l-1-2-link-offset-half-connecting-link-prod24829/?geoc=us
...and choice of two for 1/2x3/32in:
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gusset-slink-1-2-link-cranked-link-1-2x3-32-pitch-prod21497/?geoc=us
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/kmc-1-2x3-32-z510l-1-2-link-offset-half-connecting-link-prod24827/?geoc=us

Sympathy and empathy for re-phasing the timing chain. I can be a bit more trying if you deliberately want to place the 'rings out-of phase...it's sometimes hard to find the index points to get it right in one go.

Best,

Dan.

Mike Ayling

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Re: Chain stretch
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2014, 05:07:32 AM »
Thank Dan for the reminder about half links. I am aware of their existence and might try one next time.

Mike

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Re: Chain stretch
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2015, 09:34:08 AM »
Maybe also consider an external EBB for the rear to overcome your lack of adjustment.