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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Sleep mats
« Last post by hendrich on August 17, 2025, 11:13:54 PM »
Exped seems to have fixed the older problem with baffles separating. We have newer expeds for 2 years now, overall 3 months of camping without problem. Many years back we gave up on exped because of baffle separation, but their newer products have apparently fixed this problem. I gave up on Klymit because 3 had delamination near the valve. I can fix a puncture on tour, but not delamination.

The exped have an internal foam pump, but I use a small rechargeable pump (flextailgear) that works very well. For 2 of us this pump greatly simplifies inflation each night. 10 inflations per charge.
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Sleep mats
« Last post by RonS on August 17, 2025, 08:06:58 PM »
I’ve got a Sea to Summit EtherLite XT insulated. I think the new models are named differently but they’re pretty much the same with a revised (lower) R-value.
I got mine in 2022 and have used it on 4 bike tours (tour 5 in 10 days!)totalling 16 weeks.
I find it really comfortable, and it’s holding up fine.

I tried the NeoAir in the store and the noise was like sleeping on a bag of crisps. I couldn’t stand that. George mentioned in his post the noise becomes less, but it was too much for me. The Sea to Summit is quiet.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Nomad MK2 620L
« Last post by KDean on August 17, 2025, 07:56:31 PM »
This bike has been in storage, & now going to be a bit more proactive in selling as I need the space & never use it ,Comes with quite a few extras, Please contact kevskeys1@gmail.com for pics & questions ,Any sensible offers  considered, I paid £3600 .  Comes with a new brooks saddle,& the original Crank/arms plus the ones I had fitted all original Thorn .Thanks
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Sleep mats
« Last post by PH on August 17, 2025, 07:05:37 PM »
the delamination of tubed airbeds became such a problem that manufactures had to come up with a better method of construction.  This resulted in the type of mat with pockets of air, rather than tubes. I have a Sea to Summit like this, a Comfort Plus, it has already outlasted any of the three tube mats that went before.  It looks lumpy and I couldn't imagine it being as comfortable as the others, but it is, there's no difference. Pretty much all the manufacturers have adopted this method of construction, I wouldn't consider anything else. If you do stick with tubes, than a mat like the Neo, with shorter ones running across, is likely to be better than one where they run lengthways.
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Sleep mats
« Last post by mickeg on August 17, 2025, 06:57:19 PM »
Where are you located?  I am used to USA brands that might not be sold in UK or EU.  Do you prefer the self inflating pads that have internal foam, or the air mattress pads that are more compact to pack but thicker in use?

I preferred a REI branded one (only sold in USA) air mattress, but I had two of the REI ones fail, no more REI ones for me.  It had internal baffles that quit being baffles, which I am guessing is what happened to yours because I remember hearing the pop.  See photo.  I do not know if I over-inflated mine to cause the fail or not.  But I now intentionally put less air in them so they are less likely to be over-pressurized.  That said, I had less air in the second one when it failed.  Perhaps it had some material that failed due to age, as some plastics appear to do.

I have a Neo Air XLite air mattress that I have used on some trips, I only bought it for trips where I wanted the lightest amount of weight and I got it at a very good discount.  It was very noisy at first.  I think there was an internal thermal barrier that was very noisy when it was flexed, but after several weeks it seemed to get quieter.  So, if you get one and do not like the noise, it gets better fairly quickly.

After having two REI air mattresses fail, I decided to buy a spare of another brand when I saw a really great price on a one on sale.  I have not yet slept on it, this one has no internal insulation so it could be cold on cold ground, price even at full price is not bad, this is my spare:
https://klymit.com/products/static-v-camping-sleeping-pad

I used to use the self inflating pads. I like them too, but they consume much more space when packed, even when I always bought the shorty versions.  So, for bike touring where my pannier volume is a key factor, I use air mattresses.  I think the self inflating pads with some internal foam are much better on cold ground.  And if it leaks, it still gives you a tiny bit more cushion than a deflated air mattress.  And when backpacking, I can strap the self inflating ones on the outside of my pack.  Second photo.


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Non-Thorn Related / Sleep mats
« Last post by in4 on August 17, 2025, 06:08:12 PM »
After my fourth Thermarest ProLite Apex  bit the dust. I’m looking for an alternative. I should say that three of the fails were down to delamination; at night with a startling ‘pop’ The other mat had a valve leak. Whilst the retailer has been first class in providing replacement mats FOC it’s time to try another one that will last longer than circa 12 months.

A bit of reading around suggests that the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xlite NXT comes highly recommended ( not cheap btw)

So, if anyone uses different mats please let me know
TIA
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Member's Gallery / Re: New Mk3 Mercury
« Last post by macspud on August 17, 2025, 12:18:13 PM »
I also have to carry mine up and down stairs every time I use it, but do so by the seat tube, have done so with every bike without thinking about it. 
Maybe I don't get what you mean but if I do this then I end up with my legs banging into the handlebars! But minor gripes indeed.
Needing to clamp the seatpost tight doesn't sound good, is it the standard Thorn one that came with it?  Mine don't need much tightening, if they did I'd be inclined to add a shim.
Yes I'm using it as supplied with the plastic shim. I might try the foil and/or grippy compound suggested above because I do find the post can end up lower after long and bumpy rides and the tightening makes me a bit nervous.
Have you positioned the saddle with exactly the same saddle to handlebar spacing, saddle to handlebar height difference, saddle slope and saddle top to crank centre distance as on the other bike? I would try flipping the ahead stem to raise the handlebars slightly.
The bikes are so different that the spacings are totally different. I am at 'limit nose down' with the adjustment on the supplied Thorn seat post which actually feels like it should be about right but I would like the option to experiment by dropping the nose a bit more. I can't do that without buying a new post though since I don't have any spares knocking about.

This may sound like a daft question but did you make sure that the shim gap lines up with the seat tube gap?
If not the shim has a very hard time closing down on the seatpost.
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Member's Gallery / Re: New Mk3 Mercury
« Last post by martinf on August 17, 2025, 09:30:22 AM »
I only have a single spare Marathon Supreme tyre left and since they have been discontinued at some point I’ll have to change tyres which I’m a bit disappointed about because they are excellent.

Also a fan of Marathon Supreme for on-road use.

I still have a reasonable stock, so no immediate need to find something else.

But one contender would be the Continental Contact Urban wire bead tyre. This is a bit heavier, much cheaper, and according to https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com it is pretty much the same as Supreme as far as rolling resistance is concerned. I have Continental Contact Urban in the 16" size on two of the family Bromptons, so far the tyres have performed very well and seem to be reasonably puncture resistant.
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Thorn General / Re: Thorn Model Brochure *Historical Archive*
« Last post by UKTony on August 17, 2025, 08:37:44 AM »
The Thirn Touring Bike Bible covering the Mk3 Mercury is still on their website here

https://thorncycles.co.uk/resource

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Bikes For Sale / Thorn Raven Tour
« Last post by macspud on August 17, 2025, 07:21:37 AM »
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