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Cycle Tours / Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by mickeg on March 30, 2026, 09:57:12 PM »
I am planning my next bike tour.  I have never been to the UK before, so I thought I would mention it here, where many if not most forum users are in the UK.

Just a bit of background, I started planning a LEJOG trip in 2019.  Then Covid happened.  Later, got back to the planning on that and decided that was too much of a trip, dropped that plan.  Thus, twice I started planning a UK trip, both times did not follow though.  Maybe this time will be different.

Tentative plan:

Fly to Edinburgh.  Why am I flying to Edinburgh?  Delta flys there.  They also fly to London.  But I would rather avoid flying in and out of such a busy airport in such a huge metro area, so do not want to fly to London.  And the photos I see of Edinburgh makes that look like a very interesting place.

Stay in a hostel in Edinburgh for probably two nights while I reassemble my bike, look at maps, talk to people, buy butane canisters, buy some food, do a bit of sightseeing, etc. 

Then take a train to London.  Looks like there are two train options, Avanti or LNER, both of which have the same luggage criteria.  I have no clue which train to take.  Stay in a London hostel, probably about three nights.  Play tourist.  Avoid the extreme tourism spots, but check out museums, etc. 

Then start riding my bike north, aim for Edinburgh.  Once I leave London, I would have no reservations, until a few days before my flight home.  So I can travel at whatever pace I want to, can camp on nice days and look for a hostel when I want to get out of the rain.

Over the weekend I was looking at maps, putting hostels and campsites into my GPS, etc.  I also looked at Ride With GPS, looked to see if anyone had planned out a ride like that before.  Someone had mapped out a route that looked like it was on quiet trails and back roads, about 15 percent unpaved.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/49188937

I have not yet looked to see what Komoot says about London to Edinburgh, so I am not yet sure if that RideWithGPS route is the right one for me.  But tentatively, I like the looks of that route.

Plan is to mostly camp in campgrounds, occasionally hostels if I want to get out of the rain.

When I get to Edinburgh, relax a day or two at the hostel, then keep going north towards John-O-Groats.  Then turn around and back to Edinburgh.  The part of the track on this ride that is north of Edinburgh is probably what I would do.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/43518622

But I still plan to compare that to what Komoot might suggest.

Or if I am going too slow and can't make the distance I planned, turn back early to make sure I make my flight home on time. 

Or, if I get lazy, cut the trip shorter and see how many photos I can get of Nessie.

And fly home after about six weeks.  But first do a bit more sightseeing in Edinburgh while I am packing up my bike, etc.  The hostel there will store my S&S backpack case.

I am looking at a trip that would start in about two months, I have made no reservations yet.  So far I have about $35 USD invested in a map and renewal of my Hi Hostel membership.  But if I do this, I will probably start making reservations in a week.

The Nomad Mk II is a heavier duty bike than I need for a trip like that, but having an S&S coupled bike so I can avoid oversize luggage makes that the right bike for this trip.  I was thinking 40mm tires, until I realized that about 15 percent of that route out of London is unpaved, so would probably use 50 or 57mm wide tires on the Nomad if I take that route. 

Thoughts anyone?

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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Clothing suitable for cycling with a high UPF factor
« Last post by mickeg on March 30, 2026, 07:19:57 PM »
Off topic, but related:

If your skin gets very little sunlight, you may have a Vitamin D deficiency.

I take Vit D pills in the winter, Jan thru mid Apr or so.  Otherwise I am sure I get plenty of Vit D.

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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Clothing suitable for cycling with a high UPF factor
« Last post by John Saxby on March 30, 2026, 06:39:10 PM »
Thanks, Ian.  Glad my notes were helpful, and good to know you've found a sun-protector at Decathlon.

My GE Anti-Cyclone rainjacket has a hood folded into the raised collar, accessible by zipper.  It's a snug fit, intended to fit under a helmet.  I don't use it, though -- I have a longish tubular & slightly elasticized muff, which goes under my helmet & which I fold over 3"+ for my forehead & ears; & I carry a separate raincover for my helmet.

A 'Strayan history is first-rate experience for dealing with Mr Sun.  Have to say that I've found the sun in Gold Coast (where our son & his family live) to be stronger than anything I recall from spending 15+ years across four-plus decades in Central/Southern Africa. A consequence of the shrinking-but-not-finished hole in the ozone layer?  Or maybe simply because we were almost always on the highveldt oin Sn Africa.

Cheers,  John
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Clothing suitable for cycling with a high UPF factor
« Last post by in4 on March 30, 2026, 06:08:26 PM »
Thats a great contribution John, thanks so much for sharing.

This is one of those topics that 'gets legs' i.e. the more I look into it well, the more I look into it. Its quite interesting to explore the claims made by garment makers re the UPF factor ( and the ubiquitous 'waterproof claims). I'm learning to decipher what the claims exactly are. EG Some claim a high UPF factor protection of 40+, others claim up to 50. Some claims are dependent upon the fabric's contact with water and also if the garment has been stored/kept in a stuff-sack or on a hanger.
Personally I tend to ride 'covered up' ( an Australian legacy move ) and my particular interest is in a sun hoodie type garment that has a hood, and is hopefully a little contoured so as the drag factor ( LOL ) doesnt get too much!
I've discovered Decathlon have one so here we go! 

Costa Rica sounds fabulous.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Happy ending
« Last post by pandanroll on March 30, 2026, 10:18:44 AM »
Thank you for the reply. Wishing you many happy KMs on your Thorns.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Happy ending
« Last post by Webswonder on March 30, 2026, 09:40:42 AM »
Hi Pandanroll,

Thanks for your interest. I've decided to keep the Mercury. My plan was to have one pedelec bike and one "pure" Thorn, which is what I now have. Despite the rear cable disk brake, which I can never get to work as well as I'd like, The Mercury is a gorgeous beast.

Regards,

Jeremy
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Happy ending
« Last post by pandanroll on March 30, 2026, 08:53:06 AM »
Happy to hear you found an appropriate solution and that you can continue to enjoy your Raven!

iirc you were thinking of selling a Mercury too. I will DM you about this as I may be potentially interested.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Happy ending
« Last post by Danneaux on March 30, 2026, 01:56:10 AM »
WOW! ;) What a wonderful, storybook ending to your journey and quest!

Made my day to read this!

Best, Dan.
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Bikes For Sale / Happy ending
« Last post by Webswonder on March 29, 2026, 07:01:23 PM »
There were quite a few comments and recommendations when I advertised my 2018 Nomad Mk 2 for sale earlier this year. ( https://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=15577.0 ). I marked it as SOLD but never explained the ending to the story. I enquired with Thorn about a Pendix conversion for my Thorn Raven. They offered me a part exchange deal involving the Nomad and I accepted it. The Pendix was fitted a couple of weeks ago and after a few rides I am really impressed. I have all the benefits of a correctly sized Thorn frame with 14 Rohloff gears plus configurable levels of assistance from the Pendix when I want it. Riding without power is little different to riding with a few kg in my panniers. Riding with power is like having a bionic boost to my very elderly legs. That assistance really opens up possibilities living in hilly west Wales. Thanks Thorn and thanks Pendix!
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Clothing suitable for cycling with a high UPF factor
« Last post by John Saxby on March 29, 2026, 06:54:26 PM »
Thanks for starting this thread, Ian.  Apologies for being a bit slow to add my few cents' worth -- am just back from a nearly-end-of-winter break on the Pacific coast of Costa Rica. (A useful spot to check out sun protection, though it wasn't for that reason we went there.  ;))

I'm a member of the Spotted Tribe -- my mum's family is Scots-Irish, and I've inherited her sensitivity to UV rays. (This of course lets me check in occasionally with Shaun Pollock and Rod Laver & exchange notes & wisdom.)

As for sources of cycle clothing:  Over the past ten years or so, I've come to rely almost entirely on Ground Effect in New Zealand, here: https://www.groundeffect.co.nz/

I've found their products first-rate for quality, fit and comfort.  Prices are reasonable, too -- not least because postage from NZ is very inexpensive by comparison with, say, Canada or the U.S.  I now have only GE garments for my longsleeved cycling jerseys (specifically  the "Rock Lobster"), and I have a couple of "Berglar" T-shirts for indoor wear & under-clothing.  GE advertises a UPF of 50 for their jerseys.

I also have a rainwear jacket, the "Anti-Cyclone".  (I should say that GE has an apparently endless stock of product names.  Most of these I enjoy, and I had a cheerful conversation with them about their use of "Zamboni",. something dear to every Canajan I know. Others are less, er, successful:  The rain jacket one step down from mine is named the "Storm Trooper".)

I've also found GE cycling shorts to be very comfortable.  I usually wear a pair of their liner short under loose overshorts.  For the latter, I use hiking shorts sourced in Ottawa, usually below the knee.

An alternative source for over-the-knee knickers is an outfit named AeroTech Designs, in Pittsburgh, Next Door.  I have a pair I bought years ago, and wear them often.  They sell a pair for USD 65 these days (about CAD 100) + extortionate postage.  That's a very reasonable price for a quality garment, but I doubt I'll buy anything from them for a while, on account of The Situation. (In times past I would use a friend's address in NYC when ordering, and collect them when we visited, but again, that option is off the table for now.)

Hope this is helpful, Ian, and good luck.

Cheers,  John
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