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Thorn General / Mid 1990's Club Tour Frame Size and date identification
« Last post by AdrianStone on November 03, 2025, 08:45:38 AM »
Hello - a first time poster here as I've bought an elderly Thorn Club Tour.  I've not cycled for years and wanted to start again as now retired and would like to get out more without taking the motorbike or dog. Just to explore our area (Dorset) more and go camping on a bike.

I understand the bike is a mid 1990's Club Tour, I can see no frame size stamp non the bottom bracket, there is a frame number, 595808, at the bottom of the seat tube - photo attached. Is it possible to identify the frame size from this?

Looking forward to getting out on this and hopefully restoring it as there's rust under the coating in several places in the future.

Thank you

An edit… is the build date likely to be May 1995? (595XXX) and assume 808 would be the build number?Anyone?

Frame wise it’s 53cm bottom bracket centre to seat post and 54cm top tube
Thanks
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Transmission / Re: Fitting a Chainglider to a Raven Tour
« Last post by Andre Jute on November 01, 2025, 11:13:17 PM »
Great post, Andy, clear and concise.

It is difficult to do damage to a Chainglider, so cutting -- a bread knife is good for this -- or rasping away a small indent with a wood file, needn't be terminal if one takes care to remove only a small bit between pauses to offer up the Chainglider to the frame to check progress.

I like your heating and reshaping innovation very much.
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Transmission / Re: Fitting a Chainglider to a Raven Tour
« Last post by Danneaux on November 01, 2025, 07:29:58 PM »
Thanks for the helpful writeup, Andy!

No disagreement, just to amplify a bit on the specifics of the splined Rohloff sprocket carriers, see...
https://www.rohloff.de/en/service/handbook/speedhub/assembly/crankset

One is the standard SPLINED HUB 500/14, Art.#8540 model that provides a chainline of 57mm. It accommodates the full range of sprocket sizes from 13t-21t

The other is the SPLINED HUB 500/14S model, Art.#8540s which is slimmer for applications where a wider chainline would cause rubbing. It offers a chainline of 55mm. It doesn't accommodate 13t or 14t sprockets, but 15t-21t work fine.

One caveat for other fitments, noted by Rohloff at the link above...
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Current Rohloff SPEEDHUB 500/14 models are equipped with our new splined carrier sprocket system which creates a 57mm chainline as opposed to the old 15, 16 & 17 tooth threaded sprockets which used a 54mm chainline.

Best, Dan.
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Transmission / Fitting a Chainglider to a Raven Tour
« Last post by Andyb1 on November 01, 2025, 05:02:22 PM »
Lots on here about Chaingliders but I could not find a thread on fitting them to Thorn bikes, specifically the Raven Tour.

The problems:
There are two problems with fitting a CG to a Raven Tour:
1. If a Thorn alloy chainwheel is still fitted it will need to be replaced as it is 5mm wide and the CG spec says the max chainwheel width is 3mm.
2. The seat stays on Thorn bikes are closer to the chain than on some other bikes.  This is compounded by the fact that over the years Rohloff have increased their recommended chainline and Thorn bike frames were designed at the time of the narrower chainline.

Different Rohloff sprocket carriers require different chainlines:
- threaded (chainline 54mm)
- splined (chainline 57mm)
- threaded converted to splined with the thinner adaptor (chainline 55mm)
A narrower chainline gives more clearance between the chain and stay so a Rohloff hub with the earlier threaded sprocket carrier is best.

Solutions
1. The chainring - simply replace with a thinner chainring.
I used a 4mm thick Shimano STYX 38T alloy ring with Narrow / Wide teeth for no better reason than I have had one on another bike for 7500 miles with a CG.  Being 1mm wider than ideal, however, it does make a sound like a squarking chicken when wet but I know this will go with time as the CG wears in (the chainwheel on the other bike did not not wear, it was the CG that wore down to size).

2. On my Raven Tour (threaded sprocket carrier and 537L frame) the closeness of the chain to the stay meant that the rear section of the CG was being pushed slightly inwards.   Long term this could result in paint damage to the stay and the risk of the CG rubbing on the soft but expensive alloy hub.
My solution was threefold:
1.  File off about 1mm from the top corner of the rear section of the CG where it touched the stay.
2.  Heat the rear section of the CG in the area where it touched the stay with a hot air gun and push the now flexible material inwards maybe 2mm with a rounded piece of wood.  The plastic appears to be ABS so becomes hard again once cooled.  The geometry of the rear section of the CG allows this inward bulge to clear the chain.

These tweaks gave about a 1mm gap between the stay and the rear part of the CG.
The final detail was to stick a piece of clear plastic Gorilla tape on the stay to protect the paint, which reduced the gap slightly.

Different combinations of Thorn bikes / frame sizes / rohloff sprocket carriers may need different solutions, for example cutting away part of the rear section of the CG so it clears the stay.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: 26 inch Nomad for sale.
« Last post by macspud on November 01, 2025, 01:00:28 PM »
Hi Speleovelo,

It would be best the add your bicycle's frame size to your post, in the title, preferably.  Also, if you have any photos, it would be nice to see the bike. Good luck with the sale 🙂

Mac
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Bike Bits / Accessories For Sale / Thorn alloy chainwheel
« Last post by Andyb1 on November 01, 2025, 11:48:45 AM »
38T, 104BCD, 5mm thick so no good for chainglider.
Not been flipped, a few light scratches on outer side
£20 plus postage (new £50)
Please PM
Am in UK
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Fitting Rohloff to old bike?
« Last post by mickeg on October 31, 2025, 09:35:08 PM »
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3 a sawn-off bar end extension that happened to have 22.2 mm outside diameter. I fitted this to an old-style handlebar stem, which was also 22.2 mm outside diameter, so the clamp on the bar end extension fitted. More or less the same position under the handlebars as method 2.
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I also did that for a year or two before I settled on the Hubbub.  That extension worked well, I just wanted the shifter to be on the handlebar so I could have both hands on the bars for steering when I also needed to shift.

Now that you mention it, this might be a great option on a recumbent.
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Transmission / Re: Nexus 5-speed hub for e-bikes
« Last post by martinf on October 31, 2025, 08:17:58 PM »
One conclusion I derive from your description is that you have also proven a useful intangible, that your stated intention of keeping it as simple as possible is eminently feasible.

Pity that you won't be able to fit a Chainglider to make maintenance even simpler/less frequent.

After 70 kms on the bike I modified for the nature reserve I think I might be able to get away with fitting a Nexus 8-speed Premium hub (and Chainglider) when I go electric on one of my own bikes. I always ease off when changing a hub gear, and I noticed that power from the motor stopped momentarily when changing gear with the 5-speed (the Bafang motor is set up with a sensor that detects pedalling motion, as well as a wheel sensor that limits top speed). The 5-speed makes sense on the nature reserve bike, as the users won't necessarily ease off when changing gear like I do.

My long experience with Sturmey-Archer gears suggests that most problems that involve damage to the internal bits of hub gears are caused either by incorrect cable adjustment (not a problem with a Rohloff) or by not easing off when changing gear.

I don't use the electrical assistance and its controllers to maintain bike speed.

During my test rides I wasn't bothered about economising the battery. The assistance meant that I could accelerate faster with much less effort, go up hills significantly faster, and maintain maximum level speed of about 25 km/h with much less effort than unassisted. On the one moderately hilly trip I timed I took about 30 minutes instead of the 40 minutes it usually takes me without assistance, but I got less exercise. This time saving would have been useful about 20 years ago when I was commuting 22 kms each way, but not so much nowadays as very few of my rides are time-critical since I retired.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Fitting Rohloff to old bike?
« Last post by martinf on October 31, 2025, 07:29:49 PM »
If the trike dealer used the Hubbub adapter, that is what I have on my bike that I showed the photo of in a previous post.

The Hubbub adapter works well when you want the Rohloff shifter as a prolongation of an existing handlebar. I have Hubbub on the ends of the drop handlebars on my two Rohloff equipped full-sized bikes.

I have used 4 other methods to fit a Rohloff twistgrip or similar twistgrips.

1 a crude but no-cost copy of the Hubbub made from a short bit of MTB handlebaradded to the end of drop handlebars. I used a bit of smaller diameter tubing from an old camping chair, with epoxy resin glue to hold the whole lot together.

2 the Thorn accessory bar that fits to the steerer tube to put the twistgrip under the handlebars.

3 a sawn-off bar end extension that happened to have 22.2 mm outside diameter. I fitted this to an old-style handlebar stem, which was also 22.2 mm outside diameter, so the clamp on the bar end extension fitted. More or less the same position under the handlebars as method 2.

4 on one of my Bromptons, I used a Brompton accessory bracket to put the Rohloff shifter under the Brompton handlebar (photo below). It would work for other riser bars with 22.2 mm outside diameter.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Fitting Rohloff to old bike?
« Last post by mickeg on October 31, 2025, 06:29:10 PM »
If the trike dealer used the Hubbub adapter, that is what I have on my bike that I showed the photo of in a previous post.
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/hubbub-drop-bar-adaptor-mount-for-rohloff-63-mm/

That adapter sticks inside the end of the handlebar and gives me a place to put my Rohloff shifter.  The Rohloff can slide on either way, little fingers or big fingers.  The key point is the outside diameter of the tubing that the Rohloff shifter slides onto is the old mountain bike handlebar diameter, I think it is 22.2mm, but I could have that wrong.

If that adapter is what you use, you have to tighten it really good.  I have read that some people did not crank down on it when they installed it, and the torque from shifting loosened it up over time.  So, I cranked mine down really tight and it has been trouble free for the past 12 years.

I am quite happy with the external shift mechanism.  My bike frame came with cable guides for that version, so that is what I bought.  To remove the wheel, you unthread a thumb screw and remove the part that the cables are attached to slides right off.  If you get the external gear version, you should be careful when the wheel is removed that you do not move the shifter.  OR, the smart way to do it is put it in gear 1 or gear 14 before you remove the wheel, then make sure that the shifter is set in that gear when you replace the wheel.  I usually forget to do that, so sometimes I have to spend a couple minutes getting it right.
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