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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Is it better to use one long housing cable?
« Last post by mickeg on March 05, 2026, 11:31:58 PM »
I agree with everything Dan said.

I sometimes wrap some tape around the inner cable before I cut it.  That reduces the chance that it frays.

I prefer the Sram cable cutters.  They work well on shift and brake cables, as well as outer housing.  I checked, SJS does not sell it with the SRAM logo, but it looks like this one with a different name on it.  Mine (Sram) has red handle, not yellow.  The awl in the handle is great for making sure the end of an outer  housing hole functions well after cutting it.
www.sjscycles.co.uk/tools/jagwire-pro-housing-cutter/

But SJS also have much cheaper cable cutters too.

I assume you are aware that Rohloff shifter cables use brake outer housing that is NOT compressionless outer housing.  No need to use the compressionless shifter housing that is sold for derailleur bikes.

I do not know why your frame would have two sets of cable stops on the downtube for a frame built for a Rohloff.  Perhaps the frame builder did not realize that Rohloff cables have to have some slack, that there is no reason to use bare cable along the downtube.  But for aesthetics, do it any way you want.

I have started using Dan's suggestion for superglue on the end of the cable to reduce fraying, that was a great idea.  But it has to harden before you use it, you do not want to accidently glue the cable tip to something.

If you use your bike for touring, it would be a good idea to make sure that both cables are exactly the same length, and cut a third cable to that length too in case you needed to replace a cable later on a tour.  If you already have a cable cut to correct length, it simplifies cable replacement.  That means that the outer housing length for both cables should be exactly the same too.

I see PH made some comments while I was writing mine, I agree with everything he said.
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Electric Conversions of "Manual" Bikes / Re: eBike Motor Reliability
« Last post by PH on March 05, 2026, 11:29:02 PM »
Thanks for the link Dan.  One of the things I like about Alee Denham's articles and reviews is he's very clear at differentiating opinion and fact and also pointing out the limitations of any research he's referencing.  IMO this one had so many caveats I'm not sure I should treat it with anything other than scepticism. I bought my E-bike for bike delivery work, mixing with a lot of other E-bike riders on a range of bikes from the cheapest conversions to full blown professional cargo bikes.  I know of a couple of riders who have had battery failures, a few controller failures (Always water ingress) one failed motor, well out of warranty, and that's it.  That's not a scientific sample, maybe 40 bikes, but they all have a tougher life than most leisure bikes (Except maybe eMTB's) and if the data in that report were correct, I'd have expected to see a good few more.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Crack noise after shifting
« Last post by PH on March 05, 2026, 11:15:40 PM »
Not something I've come across. 
If it's doing it consistently, can it be replicated when pulling away?  I'm thinking you could change gear with the cable disconnected and see if that makes a difference.  Though it'd be hard to do that on the move!  You might also try it with the cables slacked right off.  With all hub gear issues, working out if the problem is within the hub or elsewhere is a huge advantage. If you can get it to do it while on a workstand or upside down, you might be able to hear or feel where it originates.
Good luck.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Is it better to use one long housing cable?
« Last post by PH on March 05, 2026, 11:03:34 PM »
The only reason all derailleur bikes now have open runs of cable and more stops is because of the finicky nature of indexed shifting, prior to that, many would have enclosed cables. With a Rohloff, it'll make no difference, do whichever suits you and the bike.
What cables are you using?  Rohloff cables, and most of the alternatives, have sealed ends and there's no need to cut them before threading through the outer. If you're using something without, why? But if you already have them, then as Dan suggests, seal the ends. Also, the length isn't mm critical, you have the adjustment on the external box or the last stop on an internal shift. If you cut the outer a bit long, maybe an extra 2cm, you give yourself some extra leeway with the inner (Shortening the outer effectively lengthens the inner. Cutting the inner the right length shouldn't be an issue, it's only the exposed difference from the outer that matters.  For cutting the outer, I just measure it against the old one. The only awkward bit of changing cables is getting them wound the right way on the pulley, but even that just takes a bit of practice. 
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Is it better to use one long housing cable?
« Last post by pakcyclist on March 05, 2026, 10:55:45 PM »
Thanks.  Might try that.  But wouldn't the glue make the cable a bit bigger, and, therefore harder to get in the housing?
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Is it better to use one long housing cable?
« Last post by Danneaux on March 05, 2026, 08:35:15 PM »
I think your root problem is the cable fraying during installation. I have two suggestions that have worked well for me...

1) Cut your cables using clean, sharp cable cutters with V-shaped jaws.

2) Apply a drop of super glue (preferably beta-cyanoacrylate, the kind that shows bonding rubber or leather on the package...it handles surface contamination better than the standard kind in my experience) to the end and allow to dry completely.

These two steps almost completely eliminate the possibility of the cable end fraying and make the task so much simpler and faster.

As to your quesiton about one continuous run of housing vs open runs and cable stops...

One run of housing should make insertion for the cable easier to insert and it will eliminate some of the places where dirt and moisture can enter the housing segments.

I'd still want to use the v-cutters and super glue, though. It will pay off when it comes to secure the cable end.

Best, Dan.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Is it better to use one long housing cable?
« Last post by pakcyclist on March 05, 2026, 08:20:14 PM »
I have a custom road bike equipped with a Rohloff.  Since my bike shop no longer works on them, I have to deal with the nightmare of replacing the cables.  (Take me about 4 - 6 hours total, as I end up ruining about a half dozen cables -- too long!  too short!  cable totally frayed after putting it in the housing cable! -- before FINALLY getting it (semi)correct.  Almost makes me want to go back to a traditional drivetrain.  My bike has the cable braze-ons at the top and bottom of the downtube.  Therefore, mine is set up like a traditional road bike with 2 sets of housing cables -- from the shifter to the top braze on, and from the bottom one to the gear box, with only the bare cables on the downtube.  I'm wondering if part of the reason I have so much trouble is because I'm doing that, rather than one long housing the entire way.  That won't look as clean, as I'd need to use zip ties to secure it, but could that make the installation (somewhat) easier?
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Crack noise after shifting
« Last post by mickeg on March 05, 2026, 11:34:40 AM »
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To clarify, a “crack” sound could originate from many parts of the drive train (pedals, BB, etc). The sound I am attempting to describe only occurs once after shifting to any of the 8 to 14 gears and applying significant force to the pedals. After the crack sounds, continued pedaling or coasting and then putting much force into the pedals never causes the sound to occur again…..until shifting to a new 8-14 gear.
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I have run out of ideas that would be unique to a Rohloff.

A strange thunking or clicking noise in a drive train can be hard to find.  Noises I have had that I was sure was in a bottom bracket or pedal area, or that I have heard others describe include:
  • A clicking noise in a pedal, this was unusual because it was where I thought the noise was from. Sometimes, once per revolution.  Added grease to the pedal.   Fixed.
  • Clicking noise in a bottom bracket.  Once per revolution.  I finally bought a new bottom bracket.  When I pulled my crank arms off the old one and then started to unthread the non-driveside bushing, it felt much looser than it should have been.  Instead of swapping bottom brackets, I tightened it.  That fixed it.
  • Clicking noise when pedaling hard, twice per revolution.  A rear rack bolt that was tight, but not tight enough.  When I pedaled hard, there was enough frame flex that the stiff rack moved a bit under the bolt.  I diagnosed this by standing next to the bike, one hand on bike saddle, other hand on the rear brake lever holding brake hard, and one foot pressing on a pedal, then I could hear exactly where the click was.
  • I have heard of others that solved a clicking noise by greasing a seatpost, the seatpost as they pedaled moved enough inside the seat tube to click.
  • Loose square taper crank arm.
  • Loose headset, but that noise should be from a location that you can't confuse with a rear hub noise.
I am sure that I could think of other issues, but none come to mind right now.

I assume this is chain drive, not on a frame capable of belt drive.  But if it is on a frame capable of belt drive, I would make sure the frame fittings for changing a belt are tight.

Being on a tandem, you have two bottom brackets, two cranks, that is more opportunity for places to make strange noises.

I know my list above is not specific to shifting, but it is all I could think of.

After posting this, came up with one more idea:  Loosen your shift cables slightly, maybe two or three turns on the cable adjusters.  Point being that if your cables are too tight, when you shift, the shift mechanism might not fully seat in the correct place inside the hub.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Crack noise after shifting
« Last post by Danneaux on March 05, 2026, 01:45:40 AM »
Mike, this is a long shot, but have you tried striking the axle end with a soft-faced mallet or shoe sole?

I know Rohloff have suggested this in cases of excessive friction/quick spin-down, not for noises like yours. However, i do recall one post here indicating it was also helpful in addressing an associated "noise" but I don't recall specifics. If I can find it, I'll post the link

A quote from Rohloff's site I saved to my files offers details...
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Check the smooth/light motion of the sprocket by rotating this backwards. If you notice excessive resistence, then the free-floating (sprocket side) bearing may rest under tension and will need to be loosened. Do this by thumping each axle stub with a plastic mallet sprocket side once, then gear mech side once). Sprocket must now rotate backwards smoothly with little resistance.

An unlikely solution but free and harmless, according to Rohloff. If the nature of the noise changes, it might help narrow the hunt for a cause.

When you do find a solution, please let us know the cause, as it might be helpful to others in the future.

Best, Dan


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Cycle Tours / Re: advice for touring a bit of Canada
« Last post by Paralog on March 05, 2026, 01:06:45 AM »
There is the Sunshine coast trail that you could start in Vancouver and it returns back to Vancouver and you can go via Victoria also take a look at the Kettle Valley trail in British Columbia as well. Without a vehicle at either end of trips here in Canada is a pain as we don't not have a decent public transport system like Europe.
I am from Yorkshire but have lived in BC for 47 years and come back to the UK for bike touring and have rail pass to duck out on the hard or wet day. I am off back to Scotland again this summer via visiting family in Yorkshire with a month long rail pass.
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