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I don't know if Dan set up the forum to be considerate of the members' time when he renewed the forum several years ago, or whether he chose software for being human-friendly, but either way he gets the credit.

Especially, I must say, compared to Facebook, which every time I want to log in to my group for other writers, Indie Authors International, sends me on a runaround which can consume anything from twenty minutes to twenty hours of my time, and does it several times a day. You'd really think that Meta, with all its billions and umpteen thousands programmers, would do better than a single volunteer, but you'd be wrong. Signing in to the Thorn Forum by contrast to Facebook is a two-click operation and then you're in.

Hurrah for simplicity! Thanks, Dan.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by Danneaux on April 26, 2026, 05:30:57 PM »
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I will bring a Steripen in case I need to treat water.
I sure have liked mine in field practice. I use Eneloops to power it and charge them from my SON dyno/Cycle2Charge.

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For the butane I was going to buy...
For the Eastern Europe part of my tour, I carried an alcohol stove as a backup to my preferred iso-butane, figuring I could power it with homebrew rakia (moonshine) found in "secret stores" along the way. Alcohol content can hit 80% in a strong homebrew. Didn't need to use it, as I found tall and short iso-butane cartridges in a Veliko Tarnovo BG hiking store that more than lasted my four-months on the road. Alky stoves can be near weightless and are small to toss in the corner of pannier, HB bag, or rear jersey pocket.

I primarily carry a self-made "penny-stove" made from a Heineken can. With all accessories (stove, penny, pot/cup with handle, lid, stand, windscreen, lighter, SA knife, P-38 can opener, pot lifter, 2 folding sporks, fuel bottle, carry sack), it weighs 460g, about 16oz. I considered it cheap insurance and have used it as my only stove/cook kit for fast, long (300k-400k) day rides and overnighters.

Best of luck and all good wishes, George, and what sounds like a wonderful tour!

Best, Dan.
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There’s a chain store called Halfords. It’s an odd combination (to me, at least) of auto parts and bicycles. Their website shows the 4 pack of Campingaz cans. Maybe there’s one near your hostel.

Good idea; Halfords. I should have flagged that up for you. Yes, a little odd perhaps since much of their gear is for the motorist but certainly most branches have cycle items and I have seen gas canisters. and camping items.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by RonS on April 26, 2026, 04:35:11 PM »
There’s a chain store called Halfords. It’s an odd combination (to me, at least) of auto parts and bicycles. Their website shows the 4 pack of Campingaz cans. Maybe there’s one near your hostel.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by mickeg on April 26, 2026, 12:47:48 PM »
Ph, thanks.

I wrote all of the text below before I saw your post.  Islands, Arran is a strong maybe but I have not planned on any others at this time.  And probably will not add any more to my plans.  If I really like this trip, I might have to come back.

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RonS and Matt2matt2002, thanks.

In one of my google searches, Ember popped up.  I looked at their website for enough time (about 5 minutes) to realize that I should put their info into my records that I take with me on my phone as a contingency.  Was unaware of City Link, thanks for that.  I added City Link website to my notes.  I am putting  a text file of my notes on info that I might want to have with me later on my phone, the two bus lines are added to that. 

Nice to know that a full campsite might not be really full.  A few times in my travels, I have discovered that full really meant full.

For the hostels that I have not already made a reservation at, I am now thinking I should make a reservation 24 hours in advance, if not more. 

And, if all else fails, I do not need to panic:
https://www.visitscotland.com/accommodation/caravan-camping/wild-camping
https://www.wildernessscotland.com/blog/wild-camping-scotland-best-practice/

I will bring a Steripen in case I need to treat water.  I bought it for my Iceland trip, never needed it.

I wasted two hours yesterday.  As a double check I looked at the Decathlon store website again.  For the butane I was going to buy it said not available for pickup at store, not available for ship to home.  Searched a bunch of other store websites, found a store where I could buy butane four miles from the London hostel.  Then took one last look at the Decathlon website again, clicked in a different spot and it said it was in stock at that store.  So, that was two hours wasted on the internet that I will never get back.  I plan to get a four pack of the long skinny type Campingaz CP250 fuel canisters, that would be 880 grams.  My Iceland trip, I used 35 grams per day.  Thus, 880 grams gives me roughly 25 days of fuel.  That should be pretty close to what I need, assuming I use no fuel when at a hostel.  If it starts to look like I am running low, I can look for a canister in Fort William, there are camping gear stores there.  And I can scrimp on fuel use if I have to, when backpacking I average about 28 grams per day, even though I plan for 35 grams per day.

Sometimes my preplanning can be a bit too thorough.  But my tour two years ago where I assumed campgrounds and motels on my map were accurate, in one day I found two campgrounds that were gone, one motel had been torn down two years earlier, and the other motel had a closed sign.  All in one day that became a 14 hour ride.  Later on that trip I arrived at a campground, it had closed years earlier and been replaced by a hoard or rental cottages.  So, this trip I am being a bit more thorough in looking at the websites for campgrounds, etc., to make sure that they exist.  One campsite I plan to stay at on this trip, their website said copyright 2018, so I was about to cancel that one from my plans, but then I saw they had posted their 2026 prices.  Thus, they had not closed in 2018.

Now, I need to focus more on getting in shape.  This past Wednesday, rode my Nomad Mk II on a route that is mostly gravel trail with some hills for 54 miles, I really need to focus more on longer distances in my remaining weeks.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by PH on April 26, 2026, 12:33:57 PM »
Plenty of good info to keep you interested, I hope it isn't overload!  Just a couple of points to add if you hadn't already realised.
Camping off site is permitted in Scotland as long as you follow the guidance:
https://www.nature.scot/sites/default/files/2017-08/SOAC%20-%20Publication%202017%20-%20Camping%20in%20Scotland.pdf
Not so in England, though there's plenty of opportunity to go unnoticed if you arrive late and leave early.
There's a few bus services in Scotland that take bikes, I don't know the details, maybe someone else does.
I think everyone, including me, has their favorite Scottish island, I haven't been to them all, but have enjoyed all those I have.  Enjoyed Skye less than the others, there's a clear correlation between ease of access and wilderness.  Mull has an advantage that it can easily be incorporated into a circular route, arriving back on the mainland a long way from where you left it. 

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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re: Cleaning a Robens Down Lite 500 sleeping bag
« Last post by PH on April 26, 2026, 12:16:34 PM »
As answered elsewhere, I use a professional cleaning service, Alpkit the last time, and although expensive I've always considered it worth it.   I use lightweight PJ's rather than a liner, but then I'm using a quilt rather than a bag.  I used to get twisted up in a bag and a liner just made it worse. The PJ's are probably 95% as efficient at keeping the quilt clean, and have the added use as an emergency additional baselayer.
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When I was in the Highlands in September '24, several of the campsites had "full" signs, but that was for the RVs and caravans (trailers). They all had room for a cycle tourist.

If you are enjoying Scotland so much that you want to keep riding, or if you need to return quickly to Edinburgh, keep in mind that City Link and Ember busses take one or two bikes, depending  on the route. City Link supply a stretchy bag to cover the bike, and it and the panniers go in the baggage hold. Don't know the procedure with Ember as I didn't use them.

Ember didn't require covers for bikes on the 5 times I've used them.
Stagecoach can an be fussy at times.

Yes, to camping sites letting cyclists with a tent into ' full' sites. It certainly happened to me north of Ullapool
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by RonS on April 25, 2026, 04:54:02 PM »
When I was in the Highlands in September '24, several of the campsites had "full" signs, but that was for the RVs and caravans (trailers). They all had room for a cycle tourist.

If you are enjoying Scotland so much that you want to keep riding, or if you need to return quickly to Edinburgh, keep in mind that City Link and Ember busses take one or two bikes, depending  on the route. City Link supply a stretchy bag to cover the bike, and it and the panniers go in the baggage hold. Don't know the procedure with Ember as I didn't use them.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by mickeg on April 25, 2026, 02:12:46 PM »
Thanks, especially for the warning that a lot of tourists could be there in June.  Thus, I should plan to make reservations at the hostels I plan to stay at.  I usually have made reservations for the hostels I use at the start end end of a trip, but not the ones I stay at in between.  And I almost never make reservations at campgrounds.  I will think a bit more ahead on this trip, and may make reservations when I have a good idea of where I am going each day. 

I put a lot of the hostels in my GPS, I have been thinking I might spend more time in hostels in Scotland than in campgrounds.

I think I will do a lot of grocery shopping at Sainsbury in England, then in Scotland after Glassgow shop at Aldi, Coop, Morrison, Lidl.  I put a lot of the grocery stores into my GPS.  The location of the store, meaning how much additional pedaling I have to do to get to it, is much more important to me than the price they charge.  Once I leave Glasgow and before I get to Inverness, the communities will be small so I put everything into my GPS that I thought I might have to look for later.

I only work on my mapping and routing when I plan to spend some hours doing that, I use a vintage discontinued Garmin product (Mapsource) for that.  And it does not run on my Windows 11 computer, so I have to switch computers, which means a lot of unplugging and plugging in cables to use my older computer for that.  Yesterday I was looking at the map of the England portion of my route, decided to add more campgrounds to the map.  And decided to go from London to Glasgow direct instead of via Edinburgh.  Laid out a route for nine days between London and Glasgow.  But might take a zero day or two if I do not like the wind or weather.  Once I get to Glasgow, I have several options mapped out depending on how much distance I want to do for the rest of my trip.  When I get near the end of a trip, I have to start calculating where I want at the end of each day to make sure I get to my flight on time.

I took another look at climate data.  Decided to only bring long sleeve shirts and bike jerseys.  Bike pants will be long pants that have zip off legs.  I think I will bring the same type of clothing that I used in Iceland, that worked very well.  I might get a bit warm in the southern part of England, but I would rather not carry around warm weather clothing that I only used for a couple days.  I can roll up long sleeves when it gets too warm.

I still have a bit over five weeks, so that gives me some time to get in shape for this.

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