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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by WorldTourer on May 19, 2026, 08:00:57 PM »

Their website says that Andra 30 rims will take 28 - 62mm tyres. 

That advice is overly conservative. I rode 2,000 kilometers with 2.6" Schwalbe Pick-Up tires on my Andra 30 rims. I had no difficulty mounting the tires, and no problems on the ride (which was on very rough offroad terrain where I was using a range of tire pressures). I subsequently had new wheels built with Ryde Rival 30 rims in order to gain tubeless compatibility, and again I have 2.6" tires on those. So, I don’t think 40 rims are necessary for most of the use cases described on this forum.
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by Andyb1 on May 19, 2026, 07:44:00 PM »
15g is negligible; I had incorrectly assumed an Andra 40 rim would be significantly heavier than an Andra 30.

The Mavic 717 rims originally fitted are lighter by around 250 - 300g than the Andras, as are the Halo rims PH mentioned.  And visually I do not like the square section of the Andras, but that is a minor consideration.  They certainly seem to have a good reputation for strength and having Rohloff drillings is a positive.
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by Danneaux on May 19, 2026, 07:19:29 PM »
As a postive data point, I am running Andra 40s on my tandem and have been very pleased with them. I have 26x2.0 Schwalbe Duremes mounted on them.

My Nomad Mk2 and my Enduro-Allroad bike use the same brand/model/size tires, mounted on Andra 30s. I have also been very pleased with them.

I just dashed out to my garage and did a comparison measure across the tire sidewalls, inflated to the same pressure. There is exactly 5mm difference at the widest part of the tire sidewalls between the Andra 30 and 40 (the 40 has the larger/wider measurement)...within 1mm of the published difference between internal rim widths.

Put another way, that 5mm is a difference of 2.5mm or 3/32in per side. On the one hand, not much on a tire measuring "about" 50mm, on the other, a 5mm/10% difference in overall width.

Any height difference I found much more difficult to measure in my quick effort as it was difficult to keep the bikes exactly vertical while I measured rim-to-ground with an offset caliper. As close as I could tell, there is somewhere between 3-4mm difference in height, the 40 being lower in profile and more rounded, as you might expect from a typical 1:1 aspect ratio (same bead-to-bead width but stretched wider means not as tall from the rim bead seat to contact point with a static load of just the unladen bicycle). I'd urge caution with the numbers here, as this was a quick measure on my part rather than to my usual gnat's eyelash standards for accuracy. If you're fussy and have changed rims, you might want to do an actual rollout under load to get the most accurate figures to plug into your cycle computer.
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If I have got the right comparison on the SJS Cycles site, their published weights for the 559 x 32 hole Andra 30 is 735g the Andra 40 is 750g, only a 15g difference. If weight is a critical concern you'd best check the figures yourself, as I had to take a call midway in my comparo and was a little distracted. ::)

Best, Dan.
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by Andyb1 on May 19, 2026, 06:05:06 PM »
I dropped into SJS today - my cheapest ever visit as I only left with a £1.39 straddle cable.  They seem to have the world supply of 26” Andra 30 rims!   They bought a big batch in at some point and currently have good stock.  Whether they will ever order another batch who knows……and I did not ask what ratio of Rohloff / standard drilled 26” rims they had.

Their website says that Andra 30 rims will take 28 - 62mm tyres.  Personally I don’t think I will ever fit larger than 50mm so the Andra 30 would be fine for me - but Martinf in a post above is considering Andra 40 rims.  The negative is that no doubt Andra 40 rims are heavier than Andra 30.
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by George Hetrick on May 19, 2026, 04:40:50 PM »
If you like the Andra 30, but want something wider, why not the Andra 40? Andra 30 is 19mm, Andra 40 is 25mm.
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by mickeg on May 19, 2026, 11:40:37 AM »
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Rohloff spokes have always come with Polyax nipples, though they've recently changed to the new locking version, which is still Polyax.  They're an interesting idea, I think it deforms the thread, it seems mainly an advantage for machine built wheels, they're also aluminium which puts me off.

I was not aware of locking nipples.  But I have never had a problem with nipples loosening.

If I needed to change a spoke or for some other reason remove a nipple, I would rather have the plain old nipples. 

I would never want aluminum nipples.  If I was a pro racer, I could understand the interest in aluminum nipples, but not interested in them on a touring bike wheel.

I added the flange rings to my Rohloff hub several years ago, I had to remove and reinstall half of the nipples to do that.
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by Andre Jute on May 18, 2026, 11:10:48 PM »
* As far as I know, the special Rohloff version Sapim Strong spokes are different mainly or even solely in the angle at the hub end to preserve the flange. Correction welcome if you know better.
Yes, the difference is just the J bend.  But, Rohloff spokes are a version of Sapim Race, a double butted 2.0/1.8/2.0 spoke.  Not the single butted 2.3/2.0 Sapim Strong.

You're right, of course. But Utopia-velo was the first OEM to specify Rohloff gearboxes, and they never flinched from getting designs of their own or custom adaptations of existing designs specially and expensively made for their bikes. (They weren't nicknamed "the Rolls-Royce of bicycles" for being cheap.) So for their heaviest touring bike, the Kranich, and the Rohloff, they had these special Sapim Strong made, perhaps because the special Sapim Race for Rohloff hadn't yet been born. The photo is of a couple of the spare spokes that came in a substantial "welcome box" of spares, tools, etc with my bike. Thanks for your help.
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by PH on May 18, 2026, 09:47:19 PM »
[For the last 15 years or so I have always used the Sapim Polyax nipples for my builds. They may not always be necessary, but they don't do any harm and are cheap enough. 
Rohloff spokes have always come with Polyax nipples, though they've recently changed to the new locking version, which is still Polyax.  They're an interesting idea, I think it deforms the thread, it seems mainly an advantage for machine built wheels, they're also aluminium which puts me off. 
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by PH on May 18, 2026, 09:31:00 PM »
* As far as I know, the special Rohloff version Sapim Strong spokes are different mainly or even solely in the angle at the hub end to preserve the flange. Correction welcome if you know better.
Yes, the difference is just the J bend.  But, Rohloff spokes are a version of Sapim Race, a double butted 2.0/1.8/2.0 spoke.  Not the single butted 2.3/2.0 Sapim Strong.
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Alternative to Andra 30 rims
« Last post by Andre Jute on May 18, 2026, 07:59:59 PM »
I noticed over the years that in Europe Sapim spokes and their Polyax nipples are almost a default choice on serious bikes (as distinct from bike-profile objects sold by supermarkets), with the closest competition coming from DT Swiss. In the States, Wheelsmith spokes are mentioned so often, one can be excused for thinking they are the only spokes available, which of course is unlikely.

I just wish the Sapim Strong spokes, as for instance fitted to my Utopia-velo Kranich, were not so butt-ugly, not to mince any words about their in-your-face butts. I suspect the butts of the Sapim Strong, or anyway of the special Rohloff version*, were not made more aesthetically pleasing by blending the extra-thick butt into the long middle section because of a misplaced aversion to even a micro-gramme of extra weight. There's no complaint with the way the Sapim Strong do what it says on the tin: my wheels are as tight and as straight as on the day the bike arrived fifteen-odd years ago in contrast to a bike from the reputable Royal Dutch Gazelle factory which arrived with spoke tension all over the dial in wheels I virtually had to rebuild if I wanted them to last.

* As far as I know, the special Rohloff version Sapim Strong spokes are different mainly or even solely in the angle at the hub end to preserve the flange. Correction welcome if you know better.

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