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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Fitting Rohloff to old bike?
« Last post by mickeg on October 30, 2025, 06:06:23 PM »
First of all, one topic you did not mention is spoke pattern.  Make sure that the wheel builder reads the Rohloff instructions for wheel builders.   I had my bike in a bike shop, a mechanic was looking at it and said that he was going to build up a Rohloff wheel for a customer.  Then he said he was going to use three cross, but was curious why mine was two cross.  I asked him if he had read the Rohloff instructions for the wheel builder, he said he had experience and did not have to read anything about building wheels.  I then told him if he built up the wheel the way he planned, his customer might have a lot of spoke breakage.  I have no clue what he did.  Point being, if your mechanic says he does not need to read the Rohloff instructions, find a different wheel builder.

I built up my wheel over a decade ago, I think now Rohloff specifies Sapim spokes where they did not when I built mine.  Sapim Polyax nipples, I would suggest them.

The Rohloff puts a lot of torque on the frame, so you probably need the hub with that long torque arm.

My bike uses the EX box.  It is easy for me to fit new cables.  I am clueless about the internal cable, so can't comment on that. 

I see no reason you can't use a couple zip ties for cable guides.  But if you had the kind of hub with internal cable, you would need some cable housing stops. 

Yes, 135mm.  I suspect that the nutted hub would work, but I would go with the quick release.  Hub does not come with a quick release, you would need to add the skewer to your shopping list.

I used 36 spoke for my bike, it is used for heavy touring.  For your purposes, you may prefer 32 as some rims are getting hard to find in 36.  But if your rim is readily available in both 32 and 36, use whichever you prefer.

You did not ask about gearing.  You need to figure out what gear range you want so you can chose the chainring size for your crankset.  I use a 44T chainring for riding near home on an unladen bike, but I change to a 36T for loaded heavy touring.  This is the Thorn forum.  Thorn uses 17T sprockets by default, but Rohloff comes with 16T. 

You did not mention chainline.  I think there is some info on that in the Rohloff printed materials, but I built my bike over a decade ago, I do not recall the details on how I picked bottom bracket spindle length.

I see PH just posted a response.  I agree with everything he said.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Fitting Rohloff to old bike?
« Last post by PH on October 30, 2025, 05:52:56 PM »
I'll have a go at those:

There are no cable guides along the left hand (non-drive side) chainstay.
You can get purpose made fittings that stick and zip tie on, but standard zip ties are fine.  There's no indexing to worry about, but a smoother cable run gives a smoother shift.

From what I see I'd need a 'regular' 135mm hub with either the disc brake cap (for any future changes) or smooth cap.
If buying new there's no disadvantage to getting the disc hub, unless it's dearer.  If buying secondhand, non disc models fetch a good bit less.

Also, would either the QR or threaded axle work - is there any preference?
I have both, they work the same in a vertical dropout, the nutted axle is better in a horizontal.  Wheel in and out takes a bit more time with a nutted axle and of course you need a decent spanner.  By default I'd choose QR, but it's no big deal.

I'm not sure about the internal or external gear mech.  Which would work best on a bike which wasn't built with Rohloffs in mind?
Again both work fine, the internal is a bit crisper.  You have to have the external with discs, you can have either with rim brakes. The external is easier to detach, it's also easier when you replace cables.

I expect I'd also need the 'standard' hub which uses a separate torque arm.  Is this likely to cause any problems?
There's no issue.  The torque arm is a bit ugly, you have to detach it to remove the wheel, that's simple enough. You don't have to line anything up when refitting the wheel, which is an advantage over some methods.

There's various chain tensioners, chainline is easy to adjust on the Rohloff one, it's well built and parts replaceable. I have one on my folder, it isn't as big a disadvantage as some think.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Fitting Rohloff to old bike?
« Last post by deejayen on October 30, 2025, 04:32:10 PM »
It's early stages, but I'm considering installing a Rohloff on an old recumbent bike.

The bike has a fairly standard rear triangle made from slender-ish steel tubes.  Vertical dropouts, and 135mm rear spacing (current hub has a quick release).  Rear wheel is 700c, and it has rim brakes.  It also has a rear derailleur hanger which could be used for a Rohloff chain tensioner.

There are no cable guides along the left hand (non-drive side) chainstay.

From what I see I'd need a 'regular' 135mm hub with either the disc brake cap (for any future changes) or smooth cap. 

Also, would either the QR or threaded axle work - is there any preference?

I'm not sure about the internal or external gear mech.  Which would work best on a bike which wasn't built with Rohloffs in mind?

I expect I'd also need the 'standard' hub which uses a separate torque arm.  Is this likely to cause any problems?
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Sherpa 535L
« Last post by steveparry on October 29, 2025, 08:10:30 PM »
I tried uploading more photos but no go. The red in the above is a tad brighter than in reality! Here is a better gallery: https://www.flickr.com/photos/steveparry/albums/72177720329159894
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Bikes For Sale / Sherpa 535L
« Last post by steveparry on October 29, 2025, 08:08:07 PM »
Excellent condition. Ridden about 200 miles since new. I'm 5' 9 1/2" tall. Deore Hollowtech chainset, SRAM X-7 rear derailleur (9 speed), Deore front, Ergon GP5 grips, Deore brake levers, SRAM X-7 shifters, Avid brake callipers, Brooks B17 saddle, Thorn seat post, Shimano 105 rear hub, Deore LX front hub, Sun Rhyno rims f+r (upgrade), Schwalbe Marathon Plus tyres. Price does NOT include bar bag, bottle holders and bottle. I might consider selling these as an addition.  Some measurements: Actual top tube 560 - virtual top tube about 575
Location: Wirral £550
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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re: Your choice of bikes
« Last post by Jags on October 29, 2025, 02:47:14 AM »
Your going out the same way you came in.
Honestly ive gotten lazy o  the bije wbat really putting me off is the amountvof cars
So far 7000 housrs built all where i ljve s.and everone drives.

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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re: Your choice of bikes
« Last post by mickeg on October 28, 2025, 07:17:32 PM »
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ya know being old 72 is not a lotta fun thats a fact
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Don't say that, I get there in two more months.
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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re: Your choice of bikes
« Last post by mickeg on October 28, 2025, 07:13:51 PM »
Is it a Checkpoint?
I know about five or six people with the Checkpoint, two of them had to replace their bottom brackets.  But the bottom bracket problem might be limited to the carbon frame models.

Domane AL. Not sure which number. A midrange model. Funnily enough, I had asked her if there had been any bottom bracket problems. She said apart from normal wear items, everything was original.

The people that I know that have Trek bikes, the only ones that had bottom bracket problems had the Checkpoint, I think both of them were carbon frames but maybe only one is carbon?  The people I know with aluminum frame Checkpoints, no problems other than one gal has had some defective tires, I think her bike is now two years old. 

I have never thought of the Domane as a gravel bike, I think of that as a road bike.  And it does not surprise me that it has 24 spokes.

There are lots of Trek bikes in my area, the CEO lives about 10 miles from my home, their headquarters about 30 miles.  But I have never owned one.  I considered a 520 about a decade and a half ago, but got something else.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Thorn Club Tour on eBay
« Last post by Jags on October 28, 2025, 05:28:31 PM »
id say your dad enjoy all his tours on that beauty.
just to big for me 49 or50cm frame suits me 8)
anyway doubt you'll have much problems selling.

cheers
jags
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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re: Your choice of bikes
« Last post by Jags on October 28, 2025, 05:03:48 PM »
thanks for replys folks .y bike frame is aCX cross bike ultegra groupset .
i have an electric front wheel on 250 watt get my aching bones up the hills.
but makes the bike HEAVY  :o :(.

all the camping is brand new really nice gear Kilos brand
panniers are ortlieb classic
tent is really nice 2 man looks pure quality but sure wont know
how it holds up in storms until i try it lol.
ya know being old 72 is not a lotta fun thats a fact
broke a bloody tooth last night aint got to many left who invented teeth :o
my poor back is still knackered and eye sight is getting a bit on the dodgy side.

But saying all that im determined to get a few good over nighters before i totally seize up,
hence the reason i asked about alu frames lol

cheers
jags
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