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Community => Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) => Topic started by: jags on September 25, 2014, 11:10:26 pm
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lads what you think of this tent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhIN5JcuBMw
anto
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Looks interesting.
John
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have you come across it before john,it comes highly recommended from a backpacker on trailspace.but there a few things i dont like about it out seems to hit the inner tent and that door set up i would rather see them fully zipped up.
other than that its looks good.
anto
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Leaving aside the presenter who did a 'workmanlike' job ;) it did look an interesting tent but I'm inclined to think that it is not suitable for N. European weather. I like the space inside and it seems to go up quite quickly and easily. I don't like the lack of a fully zipped vestibule and I've got my doubts about the pole system too. All that said I speak from a mountaineer's perspective which is slightly different to that of a pure cyclist. There are some great inovations being made in this field; many of which are prompted by better, lighter and cheaper materials combined with interesting designs via CAD. Makes me old Vango Force 10 seem like an army patrol tent by comparison.
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in4 i'm on the lookout for a new lighter tent for my trip to the uk next year,i do have to plan ::) :-[
my own tent although its brilliant is just to heavy at 4kg,i hated the AKTO just to small. This is beginning to sound like that story goldy locks and the three bears ;D.
so please if you know of one that will be perfect for me let me know and i'll start saving.
Light
Easy Pitch all in one.
2 man loads of room.
johns set up is perfect for me great tents but expensive. rear panniers with all he nees for a weeks camping and touring sure what could be better.
anto.
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"Interesting" if the wind changes?! Slab sided and open ended??
Then they all need a "footprint" adding because the groundsheet is too thin for the real world...... ???
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Anto...
Here is an off-the-wall suggestion I wouldn't offer except I saw so many of these in use by happy cycle-tourists in Luxembourg and along the Austrian and German stretches of the Danube and by an entire platoon of hiking teenaged Belgian Scouts in Nancy, France: The Quechua line of instant ("2-Second") tents.
They pitch *themselves* literally within two seconds, pitch as all-in one, and have lots of room inside (a Bavarian friend shares one with his wife, and he measures 196cm tall). There are lighter-weight versions at least a kilogram lighter than your GT Nallo Spear, and they seem to tick most of your boxes. They do draw a crowd when "pitching", but if onlookers blink they'll miss the show. I have to admit to being a bit envious at how quickly they went up in a rainstorm, staying completely dry inside.
The poles are flexible to an astonishing degree and I feared for their occupants in high winds, but everyone seemed to come through unscathed after the storms I witnessed. Unstaked and unoccupied, they can tumble for hundreds of meters and will float...for awhile...as unlicensed vessels on major European rivers. The main problem seems to be their stowed size and shape; they look like a large disc (think: Folded automobile windscreen sunshield). The best approach seems to be securing them to a bike horizontally using a "spider" type bungee net with multiple hooks atop the rear rack/panniers so they don't catch the wind. Stowed thusly, they didn't seem to affect handling adversely. For an example, see: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jesgf/3594414511/
All in all, I was pleasantly surprised at how well these tents worked and how happy the owners were, some having used theirs for multi-year segments of the Eurovelo routes, as much as six weeks at a time. A number of Dutch Weraldfietser ("World Cyclist") forum members use them with great satisfaction. Cost is fairly reasonable at chains like Decathlon, though the more expensive, bike-suitable versions are available from other vendors.
If you're looking for an all-in one, instant pitch with plenty of interior volume and don't mind packing a flat disc atop your rear bags, one might well do at a far more reasonable weight than your present tent at at a cost reasonable enough to leave more money for meet registration and the ferry. They fold up almost as quickly; see: http://www.quechua.com/en-GB/notice/player/24/produits-mode-d-emploi/25/zelt-2-seconds/204/1-second-repliage.html 'Wouldn't be my choice, but there's as many variations in personal lodging preferences as there are in bicycles. After 31 years of happiness with a 1kg hooped Gore-Tex 1-man bivy, I've had great success with my closeout priced USD$60 Coleman Exponent Dakota 1, which has held up nicely for several years now and stayed dry in torrential rains and high winds, provided it was pitched correctly and tautly. I bought three at the price so I'd have some good-cheap tents in reserve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3312cVa6HU
Here's some links and videos for the "instant" Quechuas:
• Pitches and takedowns: http://www.quechua.com/en-GB/notice/24/produits-mode-d-emploi/25/zelt-2-seconds.html
• Factory site showing broad model range: http://store.quechua.com/en-GB/sport-camping-camping-tents-camping-1-4pers/2-seconds-tent
Quechua also make a lightweight 2-person tent of more conventional design I saw that pitches quickly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mICvbe7JRF8
All the best,
Dan. (...who also saw a tent colored hot-pink and its happy owner, so figures personal preference may be the most important "feature" in personal lodging)
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cheers Dan as ever you come up with loads of great info.i actually seen a guy in france in one of those tents but he was car camping.nah to be honest its not for me its to tunnell like for me. i love the look of the TP tents golight or nallo gt2 that shape.
ive just put my raleigh up on facebook also going to try and sell my tent see if i cant gather enough money to buy a quality tent thats going to suit me.
anto.
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It's too bad the Quechua tent packed up is such an awkward shape, because the ease of pitching and takedown is a great advantage. Australian company Oztent offers the Malamoo range which appears to be a similar design and price point. http://www.oztent.com.au/malamoorange/malamoo-classic#.VChVoicayK0 (http://www.oztent.com.au/malamoorange/malamoo-classic#.VChVoicayK0)
I recently bought an Exped Venus II UL http://www.exped.com/australia/en/product-category/tents/venus-ii-ul (http://www.exped.com/australia/en/product-category/tents/venus-ii-ul). Not as quick to pitch as the Quechua, but stills goes up quickly, as an all-in-one, and is almost a kilo lighter in weight. It is a 2-door, 2-vestibule design which will hopefully fit all of our panniers under cover. The shop threw in the footprint for free, and gave me a substantial discount (bless their cotton socks :D). I have pitched it once in the backyard, but have yet to take it cycling.
I also went with an idea that John Saxby gave me when he posted about using a lightweight tarp as part of his setup. I bought a Sea to Summit Escapist 3x3 tarp http://www.seatosummit.com.au/products/bug-protection/escapist/ (http://www.seatosummit.com.au/products/bug-protection/escapist/) for pitching over the tent, bike etc., and giving us some dry area for cooking, etc. Again, it hasn't been used yet, but I'll post a full report from my next tour, which had to be postponed until November :(.
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sam i would need to win the lottery to buy that tent :-[
nice though..
anto.
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What about a Lichfield Treklite 200 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/151024006993?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108)? Not a super lightweight but a lot better than what you have, and very reasonably priced. It gets good reviews - I'm not a camper but if I wanted to give it a go I think I would start with this one. The colour may be a drawback though if you want to do stealth camping.
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No worries, Anto! ;)
But...I can't believe you've put your Raleigh up on the block. :o
As for storage, it is truly astonishing how little vestibule space is needed to store a full set of touring bags out of sight...and outside the interior living space. See pics below for mine. The entire interior of the tent is left open for my use when the bags are stored under cover. If I were resident at the time, the handlebar bag would go inside; it always goes with me and is just posed in the pictures below to show what's possible.
It's rare I need to, but on this occasion I wanted to leave camp so I could ride the bike to visit a fortress across the valley. Though trusted and true friends own and operate this Belgian hilltop campings, there's just a little less temptation for _other_ campers to "see what's in the bag" if they're under cover. Always nice to have a vestibule for rain cover, sheltered entries and exits, and for discreet bag storage when "away".
All the best,
Dan.
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nope not the tent for anto sorry,if you look its like the akto tent in shape and size i hated that thing.
i could live with that tent sammy posted but man at that price they can keep it.
i'll get there in the end im in no big rush besides been broke i don't need it until next year.
thanks lads.
anto.
just seen your post dan,but Dan boy your an expert im a total fred when it comes to camping honest to god.most of you lads would live under a tree, i need to feel safe and warm.i cant afford to go changing again this will be my third tent got to get the perfect one this time,as i said no hurry.
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Anto,
Here's a reasonably priced quick-pitching, roomy fairly lightweight tent you could have son Frank pick up for you when he gets to Seattle:
http://www.rei.com/product/819973/kelty-salida-2-tent
Videos here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmVwzlzDPL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac-RGnDnod0
A basic self-supporting 2-person x-frame dome tent with a fly-based vestibule that was a 2011 magazine award winner: http://www.backpacker.com/gear/tents/editors-choice-2011-kelty-salida-2-tent/ Still gets good reviews for 1.7kg and USD$170. That often goes down to ~USD$136 during REI's quarterly 20% off sales. USD$140 at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Salida-Backpacking-Person-Tent/dp/B004HRP1CY
Just something to file away if it appeals.
Best,
Dan.
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Thanks Dan, yeah i like that looks simple enough to pitch and only 5lb did i hear her right great tent for that weight and price is good.
Frank and famile are still travelling by car across america i dont think they with get to Seattle until friday, but i'll send him the link.
dan i decided to sell my raleigh it needs a paint job i love my bikes to be sparkling ;D
but its still a great bike and if i get a good price for it then its gone.
great project for someone who wants a top of the range 753 still rides like a dream
John Maybe i'l do a deal with him on one of his better tents ;D ;D
thanks Dan.
anto
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nope not the tent for anto sorry,if you look its like the akto tent in shape and size i hated that thing.
i could live with that tent sammy posted but man at that price they can keep it.
i'll get there in the end im in no big rush besides been broke i don't need it until next year.
thanks lads.
Anto, I'm not sure which tent Dan's been using (he's told us recently, but I can't be bothered searching for it), but it seems like it's taller than the Akto, at least on one end. It might not give you that same "coffin" feeling.
Just saying... ;)
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Hi Sam, you must remember that Dan is an adventure cyclist sleep under a feckin rock type of fella, where as me is a complete wuss need me comfort.
the latest tent Dan recommended is good if i got my hands on that it would do me fine.
i wont be useing it to often,this wild camping thing is not for me i would try it with someone else but not on my own.
i suppose i could find fault with every tent i just want one i know i'm going to get along with i dont have the money to keep changing.
anto.
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Hi Sam,
It is a Coleman eXponent Dakota 1, now discontinued along with the rest of Coleman's backpacking line of eXponent gear now they have decided to concentrate on car-camping here in the States. A shame, really, as it was tremendous value for money and moreso when closed-out at half price (USD$60). This is a design that was popular a few years ago, but continues to work well and is carried on in a few other inexpensive tents. One example: http://store.eurekatent.com/spitfire-1-tent.
Though it "requires" stakes, I've gotten along fine using loaded panniers or the bicycle itself as deadmen on hard surfaces. First pic below shows me camping in a Croation farmer's brick-lined hay crib to avoid the mines that were recently dislodged from their largely mapped locations by massive river flooding. This trick works with many tents and opens up places like parking lots and train stations for camping that otherwise would only be available to self-standing tents.
Headroom is ~1m/39in, so at 180cm/5'11", I can sit fully upright to change clothes, etc. "Small but spacious" is not an oxymoron here with a full-length side entry and vestibule so I can roll or step in and out and store things under cover. Space is panoramic compared to my former Gore-Tex bivy-tent which measured 61cm at the peak, 48cm in the middle, and ended in a sock with a top entry that required rowing in and out on elbows and heels. It weighed exactly 1kg all-up including stakes and stuff sack.
Not for everyone, of course, but a couple of grainy dawn's-early-light shots below show there's more room than expected inside my current home, which I call the Hilton Verde. I know there'll always be one room left at the Hilton Verde, no reservation required! :D
I can surely understand why Anto wants something larger. There's no price to be put on a good night's sleep!
All the best,
Dan.
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Hi All!
Several people have now written to ask why I advocated a good though inexpensive tent when they know I have "better" in reserve. Given Anto's (jags') desire to get the perfect tent for himself at a good price, I thought it might be helpful to answer here rather than by PM.
Earlier this year, a friend gifted me his near-as-new Terra Nova Laser Competition 1, a truly premium one-person tent I chose to leave home on this last extended trip, knowing full well I wouldn't be able to give it the care it deserved on this journey and would put the equivalent of years of use on it in just four months.
Starting each day before dawn and ending at sunset, my tent was almost always packed wet, often steaming atop the rear rack as the day warmed and then sometimes grew torrid. This is a proven killer of tents, steaming the tape off sealed seams and promoting mildew. When it wasn't raining, I had condensing humidity to contend with in river valleys and heavy dewfall. Though I did my best to shake off the water and swab things as dry as possible, the tent still packed wet more often than not.
The last couple weeks of use, I smelled the sharp tang of mildew on the mesh above my head, where my nighttime breath condensed. Amazingly, a quick swab with white vinegar after my return removed the mildew and stopped it in its tracks. Coleman's tape stayed securely applied as well, assuring waterproofness past my manual sealing.
Often pitched and decamped in darkness, my tent found its share of berry vines and acacia thorns. It fared well, but I'm not sure a more delicate silnylon would have endured such treatment so nicely. With respect for the materials, my benefactor agreed the Coleman was the better choice for _this_ extended trip and conditions.
That said, I saw any number of very expensive tents come to grief with expensive consequences for my fellow cyclists this trip. Mildew was the main culprit for the reasons cited above -- peeling floors, flies, and sealing tapes and leaving behind that distinctive odor. Pitch-in-one tents seemed most affected, mostly 'cos people were less inclined to partially disassemble them to swab condensation off the underside of the fly before packing the lot away.
What a contrast to the 30+ years of service my Gore-Tex bivy tent rendered in the drier deserts and forests -- even rain forests! -- of less humid western North America! Where and how you use and pack a tent really can make a dramatic difference in its practical service life.
Too, so long as the design and materials of a good cheap tent are appropriate to the expected conditions and can remain both dry and intact in rain and wind (the alternative is one nobody wants and the results can be dangerous or fatal), money saved on portable lodging can go a long way toward funding longer or more frequent travel. That's why I have the Terra Nova...and three of the USD$60 Colemans, which do the heavy lifting more often than not. That's also why I endorsed good cheap tents. Bad cheap tents do no one any favors, and are best passed by. The very definition of value is getting more than you paid for. The trick is to find great value that includes the very features important to you and appropriate to use. Best to jags and all of us on finding that perfect combination of livability and value.
Dan.
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Ah but Dan boy thats why i keep pestering you on what gear i should buy.you havent put me wrong yet.
;D ;D ;D
anto.
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Several people have now written to ask why I advocated a good though inexpensive tent when they know I have "better" in reserve.
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Often pitched and decamped in darkness, my tent found its share of berry vines and acacia thorns. It fared well, but I'm not sure a more delicate silnylon would have endured such treatment so nicely. With respect for the materials, my benefactor agreed the Coleman was the better choice for _this_ extended trip and conditions.
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The very definition of value is getting more than you paid for. The trick is to find great value that includes the very features important to you and appropriate to use. Best to jags and all of us on finding that perfect combination of livability and value.
Dan.
Yes, the tribulations of daily use will certainly take their toll on a tent. The Exped was somewhat less expensive than a Hilleberg (I paid about $A550, from memory), but it's made well, with quality materials and a thoughtful design. It's a 2.4kg max (weighed) 2-person tent. But the 15D fly and sides (40D floor) do give me pause. While my predominantly Australian use will most likely not include repeated wet pack-ups, it is certainly an abrasive environment, full of thorns, bindi-eyes and sharp rocks. Time will tell how well the fabric holds up.
And Dan, try as I might, any more it is a very rare occasion when I am breaking camp in the dark. Too easy to lose things, and it really doesn't suit my natural biorhythm - late to bed, late to rise :D. There's nothing better in camp than to sit by the fire with that nice bladder of wine you've hauled along, telling stories and gazing at the stars. Dawn is my alarm clock, sun-up for breakfast, then break camp.
Horses for courses! ;)
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Here's a Robert Saunders that might fit the bill, for £80 too!
http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=90754
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lads what you think of this tent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhIN5JcuBMw
anto
Anto, you can do better than this tent! IMO to much ventilation & not suitable for northern Europe. Look out on Ebay there are bargains out there (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Robens-Cloud-2-Plus-Tent-Hiking-Cycling-Tent-RRP-220-00-2-man-Great-DofE-tent-/271620563960?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_HikingCamping_Tents_JN&hash=item3f3dd8e3f8)
Andy
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Andy my own tent looks very like that so yeah i would be happy with that for sure as long as it was light cant see any tech details on it.
ahh man i'm not with ebay so cant bid.
anto.
thanks lads.
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Instant pitch tents..... stay away from them IMHO. They are just glorified beach shelters with all the wind integrity of a limp celery stalk. Negligible ability to guy them effectively too, and they will in all likelihood never fold up as compact as an alloy hoop framed tent.
I love my Venus II. Save those pennies jags.
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/petesig26/East%20Coast%20Tasmania%202012/P1010273_zps97ab286f.jpg) (http://s1327.photobucket.com/user/petesig26/media/East%20Coast%20Tasmania%202012/P1010273_zps97ab286f.jpg.html)
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yip looks like a great tent but how heavy is it if its anymore than 2 kg then its way to heavy for me.
anto.
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I love my Venus II. Save those pennies jags.
Hey Pete,
That's a reassuring endorsement :). Is that the Venus UL, or the standard? Having pitched my tent in the backyard only, I'm a bit concerned at the lightweight fabric, notwithstanding the foregone 0.8kg. I'm usually pretty easy on my gear, but I'd like this investment to last more than one tour! :o
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Not answering for Pete, Sammy, but peripheral to your question...
To make a tent really last:
• Check and groom the site before pitching, clearing it of berry vines, thorns, and sharp twigs. Sometimes a piece of closed-cell foam beneath can help. always use a footprint to shield the tent floor.
• Don't wear shoes inside. Remove twigs, debris, dirt, and sand that can debride the coating or puncture the floor from inside. I've found turning the tent inside out and shaking the debris out the open door works better than sweeping. Sand and dirt are the enemies of zippers, causing accelerated wear.
• Don't pack a tent away wet...it encourages the formation of mildew and can cause coatings and seam-seal tapes to peel. Carry a sponge or small towel to wipe-down the fabric if it can't fully air-dry before packing.
• When packing the tent, use care to make sure the pole ends and pegs can't puncture the inner or fly. Check for abrasion if the tent is placed on a rear rack. A small piece of closed-cell foam or the footprint placed between the tent stuff sack and the rack can help prevent such damage in transit.
• Don't leave the tent pitched for extended periods in sunshine...the UV can break down fabrics and weaken them.
• If there is a choice between nylon or polyester for flies, choose the latter. It sags less when wet and better resists UV breakdown.
• Keep an eye on line tension and adjust according to conditions. A tent flapping in high wind is detrimental, but so is an over-taut pitch which can unnecessarily strain corners, pole pockets, and tie-outs. Use pegs appropriate to conditions to aid in tensioning the tent properly.
• Repair damage promptly to contain it and prevent leaks. I go over my tents before and after a season's use, resealing and repairing as needed and paying particular attention to stress points.
• Once home, store the tent loosely so air can circulate. Not a bad idea to flip and rotate the lot once or twice a year.
Doing these things will extend the life of any tent, but particularly an ultralight one, where the fabrics are sometimes not as robust.
Best,
Dan.
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Sage advice as usual, Dan. I pretty well follow all of those tips. Thanks for putting them all together in one place! :)
I have learned about vibration abrasion the hard way - on motorbikes. I once inadvertently destroyed a Eureka tent with sloppy tie-ons on the back of my BMW Paris Dakar. Whilst I was blasting along through the countryside in ignorant bliss, the flapping around first wore through the stuff sack, and then unfurled part of the fly, which proceeded to shred. Eventually the whole thing tumbled into the scrub, leaving me homeless and out of pocket :-[.
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Is that the Venus UL, or the standard? Having pitched my tent in the backyard only, I'm a bit concerned at the lightweight fabric, notwithstanding the foregone 0.8kg. I'm usually pretty easy on my gear, but I'd like this investment to last more than one tour! :o
Hi
Mine is the standard Venus II. According to the specs on the site it is listed as 2.7kgs min weight, and the UL is 2.05kgs min. The difference is in the weights of the fabrics used (for fly and floor) and more mesh in the inner tent. I prefer full fabric inners (much better in cool, windy conditions) and a very waterproof floor.
Jags, don't stress too much about the weight, but if you want a good sub-2kg tent, maybe you need to look at a single-person tent. I find my Exped Vela I to be a very fine choice.
All Dan's tips are spot on about care and good storage of tents. When being carried, my tent is inside a gear drybag, so abrasion is not an issue. Exped use polyester for their fly fabric which is more UV resistant and less liable to stretch and sag with temperature changes.
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Vela I Extreme (http://www.exped.com/australia/en/product-category/tents/vela-i-extreme) is now the only model they list. It has a siliconised nylon fly rather than polyester.
(http://www.exped.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_details_featured/public/MigratedPictures/Tent/Product/14_Vela%201_Extreme_terracotta_open.png?itok=M3-8KnzG)
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Anto, are you getting that claustrophobic feeling coming on? ;D ;D
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It's a surprisingly roomy tent, for a one-man, despite its appearance.
(http://www.wildnissport.de/out/1/html/0/dyn_images/z5/velaiulmae_z5.jpg)
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I would Sam if i had to spend a week in that thing ;D ;D
when i toured in France for 3 days in lashed rain and sleeping in that bloody AKTO was a living nightmare ,i used to lie there planning of how to kill the guy that designed it.i'd stab him in the chest with the tent pole wrap his body up in the tent send him second cl;ass post back to the place where they made it with a note pinned to his head saying,Anto doesnt like our tent lads maybe we should make it bigger and drop the prirce to 100euro .
bit extream i know but sure no point in thinking small ::)
anto.
just seen il padrone post,hah im sticking to my guns.
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http://www.pbase.com/leftpoole/tents
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eternal damnation from Father Anto :o
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;) you said it ian boy. ;D
anto
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http://www.pbase.com/leftpoole/tents
John the nallo gt2 i'll swap you my raleigh 753 and mountain hardware gt2 tent for it.
if you painted the raleigh it would be the best bike in your stable and perfect size for you.
anto 8)
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i'll swap you my raleigh 753 and mountain hardware gt2 tent for it.
<sigh>
I see a foreshadowing of future regret here...
Best,
Dan.
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John the nallo gt2 i'll swap you my raleigh 753 and mountain hardware gt2 tent for it.
if you painted the raleigh it would be the best bike in your stable and perfect size for you.
anto 8)
Nallo 2 GT was sold. It's too big too heavy.
As for your offer"....."..............smile!
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Dan the way i see it is i'll never buy another touring bike the audax will fit the bill perfect .once i get the lightweigh tent that audax will be spot on.
if ever i buy another bike it will be a carbon road bike and the only reason for that is to stay with the local drogheda wheelers group on weekends.
and my cycling buddy has on order a super custom road bike so the fecker is going to drill it into me on our spins ;D ;D
if you look at John's set up 2 rear panniers barbag bike either audax or club tour thats the set up im after.i'll never be an adventure tourer or even heading off for 2or3 weeks a couple days here and there does me fine.
but yeah i love all this stuff touring bike lightweight gear dynamo set up its all new to me keeps a fella alive.
a nto.
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Nallo 2 GT was sold. It's too big too heavy.
As for your offer"....."..............smile!
no worries i've loads of time to get the tent i want.
anto.
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It's a surprisingly roomy tent, for a one-man, despite its appearance.
Yes, the Vela I is roomier than the Akto (5cm higher, 22cm wider and 25cm longer) internally. This is appreciable, but I'm not sure it would be enough to assuage Anto's frustration. ???
It's also 50 grams heavier. I don't think that will overload the Audax? ;) ;D
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Sam no way frustrated my friend i love looking at all this gear ,that tent doesnt look bigger but i'll take your word for it,i'll be doing plenty of window shoping before i buy ;).
i'll get there in the end do not fear.
Anto.
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This i like .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jmJJfkbN-c..
well come on lads whats the verdict.
anto.
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The Hilleberg Nallo 2GT is a lovely tent - for a couple.
It is spacious and very well designed. Costs a bit of a bomb (http://www.hilleberg.com/home/products/nallo/nallo2gt.php).... and it weighs 2.8kgs. Very much like my Exped Venus II, just more expensive.
There's no such thing as a free lunch jags. When I am camping in the Vela I and strike a lengthy run of bad weather I'm not ashamed to pull up and head for a YHA, cabin, or a pub.
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If it ticks all the boxes anto I'll guess, it would be almost perfect.
Andy
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This i like .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jmJJfkbN-c..
well come on lads whats the verdict.
anto.
Anto,
That tent is quite nice. I nearly bought one once! Its large with a great porch. Weight I cannot recall but price was good in a Cotswold Outdoor sale.
Something to aim for?
John
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thanks lads beter start saving.
anto
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thanks lads beter start saving.
anto
Anto
These are pretty decent.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Force-Ten-Strato-Tent-Cedar/dp/B00HV9Y3OM
John
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looks great john but £230 could not get anywhere near that money yet.nice tent tho. you have one have you not.
anto
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looks great john but £230 could not get anywhere near that money yet.nice tent tho. you have one have you not.
anto
Anto,
No I do not have one of these. It is a slightly heavier cheaper version of the Force Ten Nitro Lite which I do own.
I would heartily recommend........
John
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Thanks john your set up is spot on exactly what im after.
but yeah usual story no mun no fun.
im still out of work with my aching back, next week i'll have no money at all coming in, so have to think of something real quick or i'll be in the dog house again ::)
anto.
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john have you a link to that tent of yours best place to buy.
anto