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Community => Thorn General => Topic started by: stever1 on November 17, 2006, 11:50:37 am
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hi all
im interested in a nomad with
the speedhub
as i plan to use the bike for some "rough stuff" touring but not quite
mountain biking....would i be able to fit a suspension fork for say a
tour in india then swop it for a more on road type tour
the nomad looks like a good choice as i dont have unlimited funds for a sexier exxp [:I]
also need 2 as i cant saw the thorn tandem in half as magura hydraulic brakes would leak [:)]
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I think the general view is that rohloff hubs are much better in a Rohloff specific frame. Why not get a Raven Tour? I think the frame of that bike was derived from the Nomad anyway. They seem pretty bullet proof, and I am delighted with mine, bought in July this year. I often wonder whether a Sport Tour, or the Catalyst, might have been better, but I think the Tour is pretty much the best all rounder. It carries heavy loads without noticing, will take a front rack as well as a rear, goes much faster than it looks as though it will . . . Mine was specced pretty high, with ceramic rims and XTR brakes (worth it I think) and carbon seat post and bars (probably not worth it) but they can be made to look really good . . .
Lewis
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I think the general view is that rohloff hubs are much better in a Rohloff specific frame. Why not get a Raven Tour? I think the frame of that bike was derived from the Nomad anyway. They seem pretty bullet proof, and I am delighted with mine, bought in July this year. I often wonder whether a Sport Tour, or the Catalyst, might have been better, but I think the Tour is pretty much the best all rounder. It carries heavy loads without noticing, will take a front rack as well as a rear, goes much faster than it looks as though it will . . . Mine was specced pretty high, with ceramic rims and XTR brakes (worth it I think) and carbon seat post and bars (probably not worth it) but they can be made to look really good . . .
Lewis
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i did think of the catlyst but 80% of my tours are on roads http://picasaweb.google.com/steve.rooney
anyhoo thanks for reply....raven tour mmm nice bike
i will research more and update @-)
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Having tried a Nomad and bought a Raven I'd agree with Lewis that they are pretty similar.
As you mention India, have a look here (http://"http://www.out-there-biking.com/index.html") This couple run tours there and use Thorn bikes for themselves, as good an indication of their suitability as any.
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Guys have you seen this !
http://sjscycles.wordpress.com/
A new Raven Nomad ![:0]
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Interesting, I wonder where it fits in to the range. Between the Tour & EXP?
Looks like it has a disc mount, wonder if the forks will too.
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Interesting, I wonder where it fits in to the range. Between the Tour & EXP?
Looks like it has a disc mount, wonder if the forks will too.
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my main purpose for my bike is day rides and touring mostly road but some off the beaten track touring...
ive been looking at the "out there biking site".. fingers crossed and hopefully money raised will see me and tandem partner heading to india on our solo's... it will be either the raven tour or the nomad...probably venturing down to sjs for a look jan or feb
ive always liked the look of the nomad but if i choose one it will be with straight bars and hopefully mechanical disc brakes any opinions on this upgrade please ???
also im perplexed re geometry of the bike will it take front suspension forks ??
re thorn bikes our tandem has been all over the place with no probs apart from early tours which we had probs with punctured tyres
changed to marathon xr's and yak prob problem solved
stevr
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"Thorn risers"
could i put these on a nomad ??
the reason for the straight bars is the issue ive read about re the changer for the speed hub ????
[:)]
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A few weeks ago there was a Thorn "prototype" on Ebay (I didn't win it :-( ), I spoke to Andy Blance with a few questions re sizing etc and he mentioned they were bringing out a new Nomad. If I remember correctly it's intended for use with a suspension fork like the Exxp and they will all have S&S coupings as standard(which will knock the price up!)
I'm also thinking of a trip with "Out There Biking" and am also thinking about buying a Raven for the tour! But which one!
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this nomad sounds like an ideal compromise for me
if i won the lottery an expp would do for my round the world trip
however real life dictates the nomad will have to do [8D]
spose i will fly down to sjs stay the nite and fly back
ahh budget airlines you cant beat em [:D]
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Didn't someone speculate this would happen when they dropped the Nomad derailer. So now Thorn have a new Rohloff equipped touring bike lets see that’s the:
- Mercury - fast touring / Audex
- Raven Sport Tour - Light touring /Audex
- Raven Tour - Touring
- Raven Catalyst - off road touring
- Raven Nomad - Expedition touring
- Rohloff eXp - Hand built Expedition touring (all rounder)
- eXp R - Hand built Expedition touring (road)
- eXXp -Hand built Expedition touring (off road)
Its a good thing they plugged that gap!
Seriously though it is good to see the return of a highly respected Nomad.
PS I too was very tempted by the prototype frame on ebay - maybe next time.
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Some more details of the new Nomad here - £799.00 frame & forks - £300 more than the Raven Frame
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=12755&src=froogle
Includes seatpost and shim, & high quality headset. Only recommended suspension fork is the 80mm travel Fox Air fork, others have the wrong L1 dimension. Routing for EX version of the Rohloff hub, stainless guides & bosses, 6mm carrier bosses F+R, stainless seat clamp. NO disc facility because of the S+S. Seat tube is 31.8mm, 19mm seat stays (like eXXp)
External clickbox, stronger rack bosses. Sounds nice, I could live without the S&S couplings though. Spend the money saved on better rims etc.
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Didn't someone speculate this would happen when they dropped the Nomad derailer. So now Thorn have a new Rohloff equipped touring bike lets see that’s the:
Mercury - fast touring / Audex
Raven Sport Tour - Light touring /Audex
Raven Tour - Touring
Raven Catalyst - off road touring
Raven Nomad - Expedition touring
Rohloff eXp - Hand built Expedition touring (all rounder)
eXp R - Hand built Expedition touring (road)
eXXp -Hand built Expedition touring (off road)
Its a good thing they plugged that gap!
Seriously though it is good to see the return of a highly respected Nomad.
I've been trying to make a choice between the Raven Tour and the EXP. This may solve the problem.
John28July, I'd be interested to hear your comparison of the bikes' performance when loaded up. Would you consider the Raven Tour a superior bike for heavy touring?
Thanks.
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re nomad i also think this would be ideal
now 2 other things that i would like to enquire about
disc brakes im thinking shimano mechanical discs ???
are these repairable ie spare cables when i venture abroad ??
also wheels my thorn tandem has sun rhynos which have performed brilliantly.
do i need such heavy rims has anyone tried the sun rhyno lites ???
[:D]
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I am a little shocked that the new Nomad has a disc brake option. The old model didn't and it is out of keeping with the rest of the Thorn touring range. In the past Thorn have said that there is more to go wrong on a disc brake (most notably a warped rotor). There may also be a problem with certain calliper/ rack / pannier combinations. The only tour bike with a disc option was the exxp. The exxp was also specifically designed for shock forks so maybe that is the commonality. Even The catalyst mountain / touring bike (and only other touring bike designed for shocks) does not have disk mounts!
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Stever1 Regarding wheels:
I use Mavic 717 rims - I have fitted them to 2 of my 3 bikes. They are quality rims designed for cross-country mounting biking racing and are therefor reasonably strong but also light. On one bike I have the ceramic finish – a luxury. I have used them in all sorts of conditions including some mounting biking I have never had any problems with them. For 'normal' touring (on road) I would recommend them. Having said that if I was intending to tour in remote areas I would go for a heavy weigh rim the same would be true if I new that I would be spend weeks (not days) on unmade up roads.
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Originally posted by stutho
I am a little shocked that the new Nomad has a disc brake option. The old model didn't and it is out of keeping with the rest of the Thorn touring range. In the past Thorn have said that there is more to go wrong on a disc brake (most notably a warped rotor). There may also be a problem with certain calliper/ rack / pannier combinations. The only tour bike with a disc option was the exxp. The exxp was also specifically designed for shock forks so maybe that is the commonality. Even The catalyst mountain / touring bike (and only other touring bike designed for shocks) does not have disk mounts!
Have you considered that, in a few years time, obtaining 26" rims that are rim brake, rather than dic brake specific, maybe more difficult? A quick glance at a bike down here (Perth, Australia) and the only bikes fitted with 26" rims are MTBs - and all MTBs (cross-country or downhill) now come with disc brakes.
I reckon that in 2 - 3 years time it will be almost impossible to get a rim-brake 26" rim. Shame - I have a 2000 Nomad with S&S couplers - great heavy touring bike.
Cheers
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Have you considered that, in a few years time, obtaining 26" rims that are rim brake, rather than disc brake specific, maybe more difficult?
A disturbing argument. I have to admit that maybe 50% of the MTB sold this Christmas will be disc equipped. Funny thing is that most of these bikes (especially the cheap kind) would of being better equipped with rim brakes. We may all become the victims of fashion.
I can't imaging that there will be NO 26" rim-brake rims. BUT you may be right that it will gets more difficult to obtain such rim. I could also hypothesise all such rims being ceramic coated and therefor far more expensive than currently available.
As we are just speculating I would STILL recommend that for a touring bike rim brakes offer far more advantages and are therefor the way to go.
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"Have you considered that, in a few years time, obtaining 26" rims that are rim brake, rather than dic brake specific, maybe more difficult?"
Indeed this could be a worry. All high end MTB's come with disks as standard, so do the low end ones! However you can still buy Cantilever brakes & blocks in the UK and if the marketing men had had their way they'd have been well obsolete. Due to a demand from consumers Shimano now have a new design available and there are several "boutique" models at boutique prices.
I think we'll have suitable wheels for a few years yet.
A future proof bike though should have both disk and canti mounts. Just in case... touring somewhere remote and damage your rotor or have a line cut - buy (or scavenge from the dump) a set of cantis and bolt them on.
Someone recently tried to sell Thorn Raven frames on Ebay with a brazed on derailleur mount. Not such a
bad idea, if your rim & spokes were badly damaged or the entire rear wheel stolen you could source a cheap rear wheel and derailleur and carry on. Need something to keep the cable in tension though.
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Originally posted by john28july
Hell,
Down under 26" braked surface rims becoming obsolete?
I think you must just be having a laugh! I know the Crickets good for you at the moment, but no 26" rims in the future? Surely not.
John.
Cricket good???...at the moment??? It's ALWAYS good for us down here, mate [:D]
Seriously, I don't think for a minute that rim-brake rims will disappear overnight, but I think that they will become more difficult to source as time goes on.
The cycle market down here is just a microcosm of the rest of the world and may not be representative of trends elsewhere, but 99% of MTBs (both downhill and XC) sold here are fitted with disc brakes. Is the UK different in this respect?
If the above is the case worldwide, then ask yourself this: why would rim manufacturers continue churning out big production runs of brake-surfaced rims that 99% of the market no longer requires. It wouldn't make economic sense.
I'm sure that there will be planty around for the next couple of years as present stocks are used. But what then?
Please give me a good argument as to why not - after all I have invested in both an xTc and a Nomad!!!
Cheers
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I don't think 26" rims with a braking surface will disappear anytime soon but I do think that the choice of rims is likely to reduce and in 10 years time there may only be a couple of decent rims available.
Although most mountain bikes have disk brakes (if you ever done any offroad, you'll know why) there are still loads of 26" wheeled urban bikes that still use rim brakes and will probably continue to do so, since that type of bike is more about functionality and price, and decent disc brakes are quite expensive.
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Hello,
Microcosm of the World eh? You live in my lifelong dream Country. Enjoy your life you have it made Down Under.
The rims I have on all my bikes are braked type. Regarding the percentage of bikes in UK with Disc brakes, search me! I do not, never have and hopefully will never own....a MTB! But looking around the small town I live, I noticed about a 50/50 Ratio and most if not all those with Discs were crap bikes.
The World has millions of bikes. The World needs more. The population of the World in general only knows of rim brakes. Its only so called techies and enthusiasts who know about Discs?
Good enough argument..........
Have a good day.
John.
www.pbase.com/john28july
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Hello John - I'm actually a POM - originally from Gloucestershire - but have been in Oz 15 years - yes it is a dream country.
I agree that the world needs more bikes and, BTW, I have never used discs before; I would prefer to stick with rim brakes for touring. However, the bicycle industry tends to go with mass production. In the next few years disc brake manufacture will be so large and the price will come down meaning that more and more of the cheaper bikes will come with discs. So the vast majority of quality rim manufacture will be disc-based.
Sure, 50% of 26" wheel bikes on the road are still vee brake, but virtually all the new ones are disc-braked.
I don't want to see rim brake rims disappear any more than you. But it will happen; the laws of mass production, and industry's relentless pursuit of more technologically complex solutions means it will be so.
Tourists are but a small % of the cycling market. Yer average 'occasional' cyclist is blown away by the efficiency of discs - they're not interested in the fact that you can't easily fix them by the side of the road; that rotors get bent and discs warp; that pads are expensive. They just think they're cool.
It will happen whether we like it or not.
'Aveagooday
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As long as there will be people like us buying the stuff, someone will keep making it...at a price.
Thorn bikes, Rohloff Speedhub, Leica and Voigtlander cameras,etc...
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I wonder if the new Nomad uses the same 725 tubing as the old Nomad? All the other Ravens use 853. (With the exception of the tour and the tandems which use 969.)
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What is the significance of the tubing designation? Is it related to gauge? If so, which is the lighter tubing between the 725 and 853?
Questions, questions
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Originally posted by efpw
What is the significance of the tubing designation? Is it related to gauge? If so, which is the lighter tubing between the 725 and 853?
Questions, questions
Thorn's '969' designation does refer to their double-butted tube gauge, I believe. They use 4130 CroMo blanks and get their own custom tubes drawn to a thickness of 0.9-0.6-0.9mm.
Reynolds number designation is based on material compostion of the steel alloy, but I haven't got the exact details to hand. Composition is only half the story anyway, because heat treatment of the steel also adds to its UTS (Ultimate tesnsile strength), particularly in the case of 853.
Asking which tube is lighter is a little misleading. All steels weigh the same, in that they all have a density of 7.8 gm/cc. However, stronger steels such as 853 can be drawn with thinner walls because of their higher strength. So 853 is available in gauges as thin as 0.8-0.5-0.8.
The point is this: if you have two tubes of the same gauge - one made of 853 and one of 725 they will weigh exactly the same. 853 has a 20% greater UTS than 725 and is harder as well. This means that you could have slightly thinner walls to make it lighter and it's extra hardness will give it more dent resistance also.
Hope this explains,
Cheers
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efpw you may want to look at this chart (http://"http://www.reynoldscycles.co.uk/downloads/MATERIALCOMPWEB.PDF")
Basically 853 can take more load than 725 before it will snap (I think! - I am not a materials engineer) 725 is not on the chart but it has an Ultimate Tensile Strength of about 1180MPa. (969 is Thorns own tubes)
The important thing to remember is that the materiel strength is only one part of a very large formula to what make a good bike.
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Thanks for the comprehensive answers. I understand now..
..at least, I think I do.
Ellis
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thanks for all reply's
much to think about
re the nomad will it take a front suspension fork... i will phone and find out methinks
re brakes i will spec the shimano mechnical discs but hopefully there will be an option to retro fit "normal" brakes
for wheels i fancy sun rhyno's i have them on the tandem they are superb
again not the lightest but neither am i :-)
saddle my brooks will do
seatpost wise i will have to research
the "cricket" who cares i'm scottish i'm more interested in cycling.. also cant be bothered with football either
re the nomad with roholf has it been advertised yet
again thanks for replys
i will update re thoughts on seatpost ect
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Originally posted by stever1
thanks for all reply's
much to think about
re the nomad will it take a front suspension fork... i will phone and find out methinks
re brakes i will spec the shimano mechnical discs but hopefully there will be an option to retro fit "normal" brakes
for wheels i fancy sun rhyno's i have them on the tandem they are superb
again not the lightest but neither am i :-)
saddle my brooks will do
seatpost wise i will have to research
Stever1 - I asked similar questions re fitting of rear discs to a Nomad on this forum some time ago. You can see the post archived at:
http://www.sjscycles.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=832
Hope this helps,
Cheers
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thanks for that i will have a look ;-)
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Some more pics & info on the new Nomad here http://www.thorncycles.co.uk//cycletouringtodaypage1.html
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re new nomad looks superb
as to be expected from thorn
whats the cost likely to be ???
also can you fit the shocks as on the exxp
on the pic its fitted with v brakes
i have still to find out re discs
i will have to phone thorn [:)]
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e new nomad looks superb
as to be expected from thorn
whats the cost likely to be ???
also can you fit the shocks as on the exxp
on the pic its fitted with v brakes
i have still to find out re discs
i will have to phone thorn
The standard spec is 1599 pounds and it is designed to take an 85 mm suspention fork.
It also has the braze ons for disc brakes on the rear of the frame but not the front forks as per Thorn policy.
The bike seems indestructable . I ordered one last week.
Will send pics when it arrives.
Shane
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Originally posted by Shane
e new nomad looks superb
as to be expected from thorn
whats the cost likely to be ???
also can you fit the shocks as on the exxp
on the pic its fitted with v brakes
i have still to find out re discs
i will have to phone thorn
The standard spec is 1599 pounds and it is designed to take an 85 mm suspention fork.
It also has the braze ons for disc brakes on the rear of the frame but not the front forks as per Thorn policy.
The bike seems indestructable . I ordered one last week.
Will send pics when it arrives.
Shane
So how do the S&S couplers work on this new Nomad? If you look closely at the photos you will see that there are no cable couplers fitted to any of the cables (which are sheathed along their entire length). So, when you loosen the couplers you have two lumps of bike held together with cables.
What do you then?
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The cables are left attached to the front section of frame.
The rear brake cable uncouples in between the rear brake arms just above the tyre/mudguard, then you unclip the small guide tube 'noodle'.
The gear cables detach by undoing the ex box finger nut and releasing the cables from the '3 open but opposing cable guides' cluster below the rear left chain stay.
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The ex box thingy clips off easily after undoing the thumb screw and it has clip out cable guides on the rear of the frame. I forget what the deal with the brake is but I imagine it's just a case of disconecting the cable at the brake.
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What build did you go for on the new Nomad ? What delivery time did they quote ?
Did you have the option of ordering it without the S&S coupings because unless you really want them it's dead money. In the sales brochure for the Thorn tandems the writer says he doesn't see the point in having them on a solo!
Think I'll be putting in an order for a Raven Tour or Nomad shortly.
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The build up ( today ) is disc specific Rohloff and Schmidt hubs in black, Rigida Andra ceramic rims, Schwalbe Marathon XR 2.25 tyres, SKS mudguards, Avid Single Digit 7 V brakes and levers, mark 2 comfort bar and the Ergon R2M anatomic grips with integrated bar ends, Magura Odur suspention fork, Tubus Logo rear carrier and possibly a Tubus Swing front carrier, Brooks Conquest saddle and a Busch and Muller Lumotec oval plus headlamp but I may cancel this and get a Solidlights 1203D. Thats about it I think.
They're expecting the frames the end of February I believe ,so I should get my bike some time in March
I didn't ask about the S&S. I believe they're standard. Given the choice I don't think I would have got them, but they make travelling easier and will pay for themselves eventually.
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Originally posted by AndrewClark
In the sales brochure for the Thorn tandems the writer says he doesn't see the point in having them on a solo!
I have a derailleur Nomad with S&S couplings. Even though I have the largest frame size, I can still collapse it into a 26" x 26" hard case when I fly with it. I reckon they're indispensable if you are flying somewhere with the bike. Even if you don't fly, many's the time when I have decided to chuck the bike in the back of a car to go off somewhere. With the cable splitting bayonet couplings I have on my derailleur Nomad, it takes about 3 minutes to split the bike in half and stow it in the boot - easy as anything.
I wouldn't do without them.
Cheers
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hi all
I'm interested in this new nomad with the Rohloff speedhub
This new model looks like a good choice as i didn't win the lotto to buy buy the sexier exxp
Does anybody know, when this new Nomad will become available for ordering?
I guess any day now, still I can use a hint.
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I ordered mine in December.
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finally making the trek to order bikes on mon
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I've been bombarding Adrian with questions, whilst trying to brace my credit card for the onslaught! Trying to decide which rims to go for at the moment, I've had good service from Mavic F519's in the past but SJS seem to think the replacement 819 is a bit lightweight. Cass Gilbert says the Carbide rims are superb but you have to use the special pads, ordinary ones last about a week!
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2 bikes ordered
swithered over spec
kept the v brakes
went for sun rhynos for bomb proof rims
expedition rear rack
accessory bar for carradice super c bag on the front
scwalbe marathon xr 2.25 tyres also xtr pedals
i ordered the black nomad
after some deliberation she went for the green
also the magura odur forks
just waiting for delivery
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When did they say you'll be getting your bikes ? Think there will be a few Thorns heading to the mountains this year!
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second week in april [fingers crossed]
ours are heading for the himalayas in sept
http://www.out-there-biking.com/sach.html
till sept we will be training for trip every chance we get [:D]
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That's not a bad leadtime.
I'm off on one of Cass's trips as well. Manali-Leh in August. Got to get fit and try to lose the spare tyre!
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Stever1
I'm going to Sach pass too.
See you in September.
I've ordered a raven nomad S&S. I've always said youcan't have too many bikes.
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Placed my order on Thursday. Sent Adrian my standover height & measurements from the existing bike and he suggested a 537L frame.
Rigida Andra rims, comfort bars with Ergon GR2-L grips,chainguard, Pitlock skewers and Hi Road tyres.
Also went for the XTR brakes. Had a chat to Adrian about this and he said that only the Deore and XTR levers fit well with the Rohloff shifter. 38 x 16 gearing. I asked for a disc compatible Rohloff and XT disc compatible front hub as well.
Just got to wait 6 weeks now!
I was going to get the
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Andrew,
Did you go for the S&S couplings?
Is this the bike you're taking to the Himilayas?
How do u decide between the Tour, Catalyst or Nomad for a similar trip?
Best DF
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Hi Dougie, They don't do the Nomad without the S&S couplings. I wasn't keen at first but after doing a bit of reading I found quite a few stories (mainly from the US) about people being charged for oversized luggage when travelling with bikes. Some of their airlines are now charging by volume as well as weight! How long before European airlines start doing the same!
I'll be taking the new Nomad to the Himalayas, not sure if I'll be beaking it down yet. Don't want to spend £300 on the special case so will see if I can find something else it will fit into (local thrift shop for a hardshell suitcase?)
The Catalyst would probably have been the "best" bike for this trip but the Nomad fits fo nearly all my other riding as well.
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nomads arrived went for a spin
heres the pics
brrrr april chilly stuff
http://picasaweb.google.com/steve.rooney/Nomad
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Good stuff steve, perfect time to take delivry of new bikes.
Be interesting to read your first impressions when you've time...
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Hi Steve, Nice bikes, what size is yours ? Keep the forum posted with first impressions.
Mine is on order but won't be here in time for Fridays trip to Ireland.
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Re frame size "537L"
First impressions "its too clean to ride".
Once on the road it feels great obviously the exact cycling position has to be tweaked.
Oh and getting the derriere used to a brooks saddle may be a trial,
but im sure I will cope.
miles wise only short road miles so far 2 x 30mile rides on the local backroads,
not so busy area near me also only had rack pack and a couple of water bottles..so cant really say
plan to do some hill tracks on sunday nothing too mountain bike merely
forest roads through the galloway hills
i'm lookin forward too it
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Steve
I've got half my bike, the other half according to the tracker is in Toronto clearing customs.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill
Steve
I've got half my bike, the other half according to the tracker is in Toronto clearing customs.
Hello,
If you got the rear half, maybe you could try a Unicycle ride? I do hope the front arrives quickly as I know what its like waiting for a Thorn!
John.
www.pbase.com/john28july
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I don't know which half it is, the box sits unopened as the other half hasn't arrived three days later.
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Finally I have a whole bike..once I get it together..
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re nomad
going cycle camping friday
fort william to inverness "the great glen way"
carrying all the gear so should be interesting how the bikes handle
panniers tents ect [:D]
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SJS phoned earlier, my Nomad will be delivered on Friday :-)
Steve, you've had yours a while now, what's it been like ? Have you had it in bits yet ?
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It's here! Out of the box and in my living room!
All seems nicely put together, only issue is the rear wheel is rubbing slightly on the brake block...
Going to put it on the workstand, check the wheel out and then I think I'll go for a bike ride.
Shame it's such a dull, windy day!
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Put it on the workstand, had a good look at it and it's been assembled very well. Powder coat looks tough enough but appears very slightly uneven in places, not had a powder coat before so this may be normal.
I tinkered with the rear brake and that seemed to cure the rubbing. Own Saddle (Brooks Conquest) was fitted and then it was down to street level (I'm on the 4th floor) to try it out :-)
A quick spin around the car park first. The bike feels almost exactly spot on. They've obviously got the job of building a bike from a set of measurements down to a fine art.
Brake, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW! A lot sharper than the Maguras I'm used to. This may be setup. The brake blocks are _very_ close to the rim. Closer than I normally run them.
Onto the street and down a hill, brake, SQUEEEAL!, stop. I specced the standard rims but the brake blocks are the blue ones meant for the Carbide rims so it looks like I've got a free upgrade :-)
Gear change feels strange, I'm used to downtube shifters with very crisp "clicks", this is different. Works OK , must stop reaching down to change gear though!
Out of town and head towards Cronton, flatlands with a strong wind, a 40km loop. Bike feels fine, might lift the saddle a few mm. Ergon grips comfy but I start to get some tingling in my left hand. Will try to adjust that grip later.
Hard to tell about the famous Rohloff "noise", it's too windy. In most gears though it seems quieter than derailleurs. 7th gear feels, rather than sounds if you know what I mean...
Get back home, carry the bike upstairs and notice that the back wheel is rubbing again on one spot :-( looks like I'll have to get the spoke key out and adjust it
Now it's time to eat curry & drink beer!
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Bugger [:(]
When the bike arrived yesterday I thought the rear tyre (Tourguard) was a bit soft so pumped it up to 60psi (Topeak Morph very good!)
I've just gone to look at the bike and it's now flat as a pancake.
Oh well, I'm about to find how easy it is to undo Pitlock Security Skewers and remove a Rohloffed wheel!
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Undid the clickbox, undid the Pitlock and the wheel dropped straight down onto a concrete floor...[:I]
A very tiny hole, slowly leaking air. Can't find a corresponding hole in the tyre or anything inside it.
Rims have no name on them, rim tape is yellow plastic "Hermann", tube was Schwalbe...made in Indonesia..
The Pitlock didn't appear to have any grease on it, bearing in mind another forumers problems I slathered both in FinishLine.
Topeak Morph got to 60psi from flat in 88 strokes. I checked the pressure reading on the pump with my digital pressure gauge which gave me 54psi. Not too bad.
Wheel back on and I adjust the left side brake a little more.
I try to fit my Tubus rack but the holes are M5 and the Nomads bosses M6, I'll have to get the drill out!
Go for a short ride, adjust the grips some more. I get back home and the rear wheel is rubbing again...[:(]
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im really pleased with the nomad
not been on the forum for a while
nomad survived india
http://picasaweb.google.com/steve.rooney
out today for a short spin brrr cycling in scotland not warm time to
dig out the winter gear [:D]