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Title: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Danneaux on September 22, 2013, 06:45:56 am
Hi All!

I have recently replaced my car with another new to me, a 2012 Ford Focus hatchback, and I'm looking at bike racks for it (despite the Nomad's legendary load capacity, this is so the car can carry the bike, not the other way 'round!). This is a novel concept for me, since my domestic tours have always begun and ended from my front door under leg power alone.

Since I will soon be fitting the car with a 1¼in receiver-type trailer hitch to tow my small utility trailer, a 2-bike hitch mount rack appeals. It has the advantage of minimizing the long lift of a heavy bike to the top of the car, takes less of a hit on fuel economy, protects the bike from the many bugs I usually encounter on my summer drives, and prevents me from skimming the rack off the car on low drive-thru overhangs and on entering my garage. Disadvantage: The Nomad might become the world's most expensive bumper.

A pretty complete list of what's available to fit is here: http://www.etrailer.com/partlist/Ford/Focus/Bike%20Rack

Looking at various kinds of hitch-mount racks, I have decided to pass on the kind that suspend the bike from two arms. I prefer having the bike stand on its own tires, so what I'm looking for is a platform hitch-mount rack, the kind I would like allows the central support to fold down so I can access the car's hatchback, and some also allow the wheel trays to fold upright to minimize width while underway without a bike aboard.

The "hitch" in the works is the Nomad's long 43½in/110.5cm wheelbase -- too long for some platform racks unless I get a "tandem adapter" which then makes the rack too long.

Does anyone have experience carrying a Nomad on a rack of this type and if so, do you have a preference?

The types I've seen use either metal hoops to hold the wheels, or semicircular trays with security straps. The bike itself is held in place with a vertical padded hook that is secured with either a large knob or a ratchet mechanism. There have been isolated yet dire tales of these hooks marring the bike's paint unless padded with a rag or additional vinyl tubing.

I'm not so concerned about anti-theft security because as far as I'm concerned any of the racks can be disassembled to steal a bike. I don't plan to leave mine unattended on the car. The rack must be compatible with the bicycle's mudguards, racks, and bottles. The Thule featured in the video above is like the racks mounted on buses in my city and incompatible with the Nomad's extended front mudguard. The Swagman series is emerging as a leading candidate:  http://www.swagman.net/category/platform-racks/
...in particular the Swagman XC Cross-Country 2-Bike Hitch Mount Rack:
http://www.amazon.com/Swagman-Cross-Country-2-Bike-2-Inch-Receiver/dp/B0001VO1YY/ref=cm_cmu_pg__header/178-8987910-0001166
A less expensive candidate seems to have a lot going for it as well: The SportRack 2EZ Premium Hitch Platform System:
http://www.amazon.com/Swagman-Cross-Country-2-Bike-2-Inch-Receiver/dp/B0001VO1YY/ref=cm_cmu_pg__header/178-8987910-0001166
...and...
http://www.rackattack.com/product-pages/sportrack-2ez-premium-hitch-platform-system.asp

This one is even less expensive: http://www.etrailer.com/tv-install-pro-series-q-slot-2009-ford-focus-ps63134.aspx

The lesser cost appeals but too often I've seen USD$6,000 bikes carried on USD$50 racks, and I've sometimes seen the results when they come off(!) or fail (!!!), so build quality and excellence in design trump lowest cost for me in this application. I have attached a small composite showing the car. The car measures 70in/178cm between the outsides of the tires and the body extends a bit beyond that at the fenders. The bike measures about 69½/176.5cm inches end-to-end including the mudguards, so I am hoping it will ride in the shadow of the car's plan view and not snag anything at the edges. <worried> Seems like a lot to hang from a 1¼in/32mm section of square steel tubing....

Thoughts? Ideas? Many thanks in advance for your feedback and suggestions. This is the time to stop me if I am about to make a Big Mistake.

Best,

Dan. (...who realizes new-car expenses don't stop with the purchase)
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: anniesboy on September 22, 2013, 10:16:11 am
Take a look at something by Thule, the one I use takes two bikes,it also has a drop down function ,that enables easy access to rear door.
It has rubberised clamps that hold bikes by one of the main tubes, the clamps have a lock facility on some versions. the whole rack can also lock.
I have a picture of our Thorns on the car (I cant find it at the moment)

See my post on CTC site for Sept 2nd

http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28648

I hope this link works for you.

Edit I dont leave rack bags on when driving.
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: onrbikes on September 22, 2013, 10:52:58 am
I too have that style and have had a roof mounted one.

Give me the roof mount any day.


Fair enough it was only home made but was far superior. An angle bracket with a skewer to attach the fork and the rear wheel tied down.

Now I have one that sits on the rear hitch and I always watch through the mirror how they bounce around. The danger there is that they often cover up the rear lights and may actually be illegal unless you start fitting lights.
Its also scary parking them somewhere for fear of theft or "bump and run".
Try getting something out the boot with the bikes
The car is now rear heavy and handles terrible especially in the wet.

Its also far more difficult to get the bikes off the roof. For you and the thief.
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: anniesboy on September 22, 2013, 01:30:53 pm
Well I had roof mounted carrier before.
It came with its own problems, lifting bikes onto the roof,having to take care when drive under barriers.
I know two people that trashed their bikes driving into car parks.
Much more wind resistance.
No issue getting into the back of the car as the whole thing hinges down.
Also clamps are lockable.

You pay your money and make a choice.
I only wish I could get a decent rear mounted carrier for my tandem.
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: wildrover on September 22, 2013, 02:19:18 pm
Hi Dan!

I use the Swagman xtc-2 on my mini-cooper.  Fits my Raven just fine.  We chose a platform rack because we also have BikeFridays.  Some racks were eliminated because have bike fenders.  (You have figured that out too).

The rack waggles on rough roads, I rather think they all do, but I use those rubber hook-cords, and try not to look.

Regards,
Holly

P.S. glad to do photos when we get home Tuesday!
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: sdg_77 on September 22, 2013, 02:55:12 pm
Dan - I have a Thule Euroclassic 902 - no longer a current model but they make updated versions.  The one I have is the same as shown in this photo: http://goo.gl/4PWSuL

The rack fits onto the car's towbar easily, and my Sherpa (110cm wheelbase) fits onto the rack without drama. We don't have any problems with the mudguards or racks catching on anything and the overall length of the bike is less than the width of the car (2011 UK/European Honda Civic) from one door mirror to the other. I can see the end of the rear mudguard and the edge of the front tyre in the door mirrors so there are plenty of reminders that the bikes are on the carrier.

When we carry two bikes I usually take the saddle off the taller of the two, or at least lower it to the cross bar, to avoid it catching on the other set of handlebars.  We don't notice any problems with the clamps loosening or any real movement of the bikes on the rack.  Occasionally we put foam padding between the quickreleases - but that depends on which two bikes it is.  There is a reasonable range of left/right adjustment for the wheel supports so large, small, road, MTB and touring type bikes all fit easily enough.  

If you can stand the expense, go for one with the 'lever-tilt' mechanism as that makes it much easier to access the boot (trunk?) with the carrier in place - although we usually just fold the rear seats.  The third brake light is usefull as the bikes cover the centre brake light in the Civic's rear window - likely not to be a problem on your Focus.

Having had roof bar mounted racks,  rear tailgate mounted racks and this one,  I definitely prefer the towbar mounted version - if you have towbars on your cars you can keep the same rack and at the end of a long day it's not much of a lift to sit the bikes onto the rack.

edit - found an old photo - see attached.  This was a couple of years back,  the last time we had to move one of our children from one student house to another.  Just the thought of not having to do that again is making me smile ;-)

hope that helps
sdg.




Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Danneaux on September 22, 2013, 07:24:11 pm
All extremely helpful; thanks!

I'm still pondering.

In 1980, a friend and I toured Washington State's San Juan Islands and to make our window of opportunity (the long Memorial Day weekend with uni Finals Week to follow) we put the bikes on his two-armed bumper rack and drove to the ferry slip. This was during the eruption of Mt St Helens, and my bike came home covered with a thick crust of corrosive ash; I dearly wished I could have carried it inside his 1st generation VW Rabbit (Golf), but alas it would not have fit. I fared better than he; his bike was mounted closest to the hot exhaust and that nearly burned his tire through by the time we arrived; same on the return. I thought to secure my wheels with a toe strap, but his were left to spin in the breeze the entire way. I have a nice Rhode Gear hitch-mount version, but even though the arms adjust for a sloping top tube, they are too wide to accommodate my Nomad; the rubber blocking plates won't fit inside the frame triangle.

About 30 years ago, I owned a really nice (and heavy -- it weighed 40lb/18kg!) self-contained rooftop rack that held the bikes' wheels in trays, so no problems with lowrider front racks. It secured the bikes with padded seat-tube clamps, much like a repair stand. From a bike standpoint, it was ideal. Trouble is, at 5'11"/180cm, I still wasn't tall enough to lift the bikes securely onto the roof of the car and then secure them alone; there was more bike above my grasp than below and they kept trying to turn turtle on me as I lifted. I tried a low stool, but it wasn't wide enough. Once underway, the noise of the bikes cleaving through the airstream sounded like a low-flying jet and fuel economy dropped like a rock. Drive-in services are popular here while on road-trips, and I was always concerned the bikes would strike an overhang or roof while banking or picking up fast-food, and there's always the spectre of driving into the garage with the bike(s) on top -- it has happened to the best of us!

I did also found the constant wind pressure fatigue-flexed the front mudguards to the breaking point on its first use (this probably accounted for at least part of the jetlike wind noise), and that was disappointing. I never really used it and sold it on to another graduate student at the time.

Many of the European hitch/towbar-mounted racks caught my eye. They all had additional lighting and reflective tape to compensate for the bikes blocking the car's lighting and seemed to be more sturdy than the versions available here in the States. The Thule EuroClassic 902 Steve linked to is a great example. Very helpful and timely CTC link as well, Anniesboy. For some reason here in 'Merka, bicycle mudguards come without reflectors and our car bike racks come without lighting. Dunno why.

On the other hand, being able to see the bike(s) and towbar-mounted rack shake makes me uneasy. Maybe stabilizing straps would help? There's that bike-as-bumper, too, a real concern in a land where so many drivers are distracted by cellphones while at the wheel.

There was a clever Kickstarter project that used an adapter to put roof-rack trays on the towbar, but the funding came to naught. I'm not sure it would have worked with lowriding front racks, either, and would have required carrying the front wheel(s) inside the car: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1149022887/switchbck-bike-rack

Please keep the ideas coming! Yes, Holly, pics would be wonderful so I can better visualize the rack in place. The Swagman xtc-2 is emerging as a front-runner in my search.

All the best,

Dan. (...who just wants to rack 'n' roll safely)
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Cambirder on September 22, 2013, 10:29:15 pm
I'm just about to order a new Golf (or possibly an Audi A3) and I am definitely going to get a tow bar fitted for mounting a cycle carrier.

The bike carrier I will probable go with is the Strada DL3, it's light, easy to fit and has a really cool mechanism for moving the bikes away from the tailgate. If you only need a two bike carrier the DL2 should fit the bill. As with most German Kit it's not the cheapest, but it looks superbly engineered.

http://www.foldingbikes.biz/html/atera_strada_3_dl.html
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: IanW on September 22, 2013, 11:07:00 pm
Having today returned from a 2-week holiday in France, taking 2 x RSTs with us
I can say that my personal preference is car-roof mounted racks.

For many years I/we used a pair of roof mounted racks that held the bikes inverted.
I.e. clamped by their saddle and handle-bars.

The mounts made by "Automaxi" were complete cr*p,
but they worked (nd have done for nearly 30 years)

So I completely re-made them, replacing all the mild-steel parts with heavier-grade stainless steel
They are now completely "bomb-proof".

The bicycles always travel "back-to-front"
I.e the rear of the bicycles face towards the front of the car
Precisely so that the wind-load does not damage the front mudguard
and the wind-load rams the saddles into the mounting clamps

In addition to the clamping points I also always use a pair of ratched-tie-down straps around front forks and seat-tube
triangulated down to the ends of the roof-cross bars.

This configuration allows me to remove the wheels to reduce the overall height to meet ferry height restrictions.

The racks/mounts are definitely good for upto 100mph (tested in Germany) but fuel consumption is then 0 mpg.
At 60 to 70 mph we achieve 45mpg

However, after all this glowing report as to effectiveness of roof-mounts,
if starting again with transporting 2 bicycles,
I would go with a good quality tow-ball mounted rack.
Probably one made by Thule

P.S. there is a "story" here about "dismounting" 2 bicycles + bicycle mounts + roof rack
off a car with "gutters" in just under 2 seconds
as a result of driving under a pair of goal-posts
with no damage to 2 bicycles or roof mounts or roof rack and only very minor damage to car.
But this did not involve the Thorn RSTs and was 25 years ago

Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Mike Ayling on September 23, 2013, 08:26:55 am
Hi All!



Since I will soon be fitting the car with a 1¼in receiver-type trailer hitch to tow my small utility trailer, a 2-bike hitch mount rack appeals. It has the advantage of minimizing the long lift of a heavy bike to the top of the car, takes less of a hit on fuel economy,

WE used to have a 6 cylinder Ford Fairlane ( not the most economical of cars at the best of times but having a bike on the rear rack used to add at least 20% to the fuel consumption.

At least without the roof mount you no longer have to worry about entering carports etc!

Mike
Title: Some photos of Swagman rack
Post by: wildrover on September 24, 2013, 07:57:32 pm
Hi again!

I've taken some photos showing the rack and my RT as I use it.  If you PM me with an email address, I can take a little iPhone video showing the 'waggle'.

Some comments:

On the web, Swagman's technical photos seem to be quite complete, so I didn't include any.  If you have something specific you would like to see, I can take more photos!

The covering on the 'clamp' that goes over the top-tube is very good.  If I didn't have a bunch of pipe insulation around, I wouldn't hesitate to use it as is.  However I like that the insulation is compressible.  You can see there is a hole in the mechanism.  Sometimes I put a suitcase lock in the hole so the clamp can't be raised without removing the lock.

This rack didn't come with a hitch lock.  If you find one that fits, let me know?  This is just a suitcase lock that I use.  The rubber bungees don't come with the rack.  I use them to stabilize the rack, a bit.  Actually, the more I can tighten the bolt, the less the waggle.  I haven't taken it any further than that.

Plenty of clearance to open my hatch.

Security-wise, I wouldn't leave this setup unattended in a shopping center parking lot.  I'll bet D-locks and cables could be used creatively!
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Danneaux on September 25, 2013, 01:18:00 am
Hi All!

My, I am so delighted and pleased by all your responses; thanks so much!

I was up in the state capitol (Salem) getting the crown on my tooth today and just stepped in the door, so I will make a full reply soon after I catch up with things a bit and ponder a little more.

The photos and personal thoughts and reviews are really helpful, and have moved the process along considerably for me. It helps so much to "ask those who have tried" various mounts and racks, and to see the photos as well.

More later, as I move forward. Thanks again, and please don't hesitate to add further thoughts going forward. I have received several emails from others who have said this discussion has been helpful, so thanks from them as well!

Best,

Dan. (...who surely appreciates the collective wisdom and kind helpfulness of this community)
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Cambirder on September 25, 2013, 09:04:33 am
Is that setup legal where you live wildrover?

In Europe you would need a lighting board hung off the back of that
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: lewis noble on September 25, 2013, 02:09:26 pm
Most points already, covered, I think, but we generally use a towball mounted rack, an Ergo Twinney now approx 7 years old

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Twinny-Load-Ergo-Tilting-2-Bike-Towball-Car-Rack_41753.htm

An older model than already referred to, pretty heavy, but works well.  The disadvantage is that the main gripping mechanism is a clamp onto the bike crank, with the weight mostly carried on a pad supporting the bottom bracket.  My RT, with eccentric bolts, did not fit too well, a bike with a 'normal' BB fits better.  Also, this fixes the side-to-side position - which may become a problem on long wheelbased bikes.  The alternative designs with some sort of pole sounds much better and should give more flexibility in position and using different bikes.

How easy are they to adjust quickly / with cold hands for different bikes??  Mine needs a hex key to adjust - not good in my view.

There should be little if any shake - and being able to usually see bike through back window prevents accidental reversing incidents . . . . though not someone rear-ending you . . .

Strada is I understand another good European make.

Two other points - cannot get back to thread without losing post and I cannot recall names -

1) quality of bolts and washers etc fitted as original is often appalling, and I too have replaced over the years with better fittings - easily done and improves things a lot.  Keep spares!!  and some in the car too!!  Makes you feel good to go the the rescue in a car park

2) someone mentioned a tandem rack.  We have a Thorn tandem, small frame so probably shorter wheelbase than many, but tandems generally too wide to fit across back of car.

But we carry ours on the back of our VW campervan - tailgate mounted rack.  I made a carrier which fits on the normal wheel mounts on the rack, with 2 boat rowlocks on top.  That carriers the tandem frame, bottom tube sitting in the rowlocks, which, with wheels off, forks reversed, guards off (only shorty guard on rear anyway), fits within the width of the van.  Wheels then fitted separately.  Takes about 10 mins to sort out.

If you want pictures, let me know and I will take some when I get the van out next.

3) security.  We all struggle with this, I reckon.  Most European cars have a towing eye under the rear bumper, which should enable a cable to be looped in.  The locks fitted to most carriers can easily be forced with a screwdriver (I know - I travelled to France with the family bike stable then realised keys were at home - took me only a few seconds to force them) so extra is essential.

Lewis
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: sdg_77 on September 25, 2013, 06:44:18 pm
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towball mounted rack, an Ergo Twinney

I recall these - or at least this type - being very popular last time we were in Belgium and/or Holland,  some days it seemed like more cars had one attached than didn't.

sdg.


Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Danneaux on September 25, 2013, 06:58:44 pm
Hi All!

First off, thanks again for the replies, especially those with photos (PM sent to Holly). They really do help visualize all the parameters. A few things pop out at me immediately...

• Steve: Having owned and earned from working on Hondas since 1974, your Civic is the one I might have purchased had it been available Stateside. Unfortunately, a perception developed in the 1990s (fostered and abetted by auto magazines) that 'Merkins do not like hatchback cars, and this has persisted till recently. As a result, the only hatchbacks remaining in the domestic Honda lineup are the hybrid Insight (not available used inexpensively enough for me and I didn't like it very well) and the Fit -- the first generation we got here was a rebadged 7 year-old version of the Jazz; the second generation I found terribly disappointing in recent test drives compared to my '89 Civic Si, but the Focus "felt" like the more developed direct successor, is working fine, and I am delighted with its combination of performance, fuel economy, handling, road feel, and hatchback utility and the little-used example I snagged was available at a very good price with lots of warranty coverage remaining.

• Choosing a hitch-mounted platform rack is a big decision for me, but it seems the best course of action given the Nomad's weight and the difficulty of getting the bike overhead and mounted on a tray. This is especially true if someone else who is not as large/strong must do the loading in my absence. More on that below.

• I was very impressed by the platform-type hitch/towbar-mounted racks I saw on cars when I toured NL, BE, and FR in 2008, and I still have them in mind when looking at what's available now here in the States. I'd happily import one of those, but the shipping and customs fees make it cost-prohibitive for me here in the US. The problem (and it is one for me), is the 'Merkin versions lack any sort of redundant lighting and registration plate mounting. Holly very kindly showed her RT on her Mini-Cooper. Posing the Nomad behind the Focus shows it will also likely block the car's rear lighting, signals, and plate. I can't do anything about the plate, but plan to mount redundant lighting to the rack, which also means custom mounting brackets and wiring, and this last presents a completely unexpected dilemma in the form of car warranty coverage.

Despite the fact this model and year Ford Focus was rated as the NL tow vehicle of choice and won at least one all-Europe towing award, Ford of America does not rate it for towing. Oops. My new-to-me Focus has considerable time and mileage remaining on the original factory warranties and has a Ford Certified Pre-Owned (used car) warranty that overlays this and together provide coverage for as much as five years combined. The issue has been raised a number of times on American Ford Focus owner Forums, and it appears the American version has no problem carrying a hitch and can indeed tow small utility trailers (for transporting yard debris, light moving, multiple bicycles, Christmas trees, etc) with no problem. The difficulty arises when the car is brought to a dealership for service. Hitches that require drilling for mounts will seemingly void the warranty. No problem, I found HiddenHitch makes one that will mount using plates that require no drilling. Hitches of this type used to carry bike racks don't seem to trigger any warranty issues.

However, the presence of wiring that could be used to connect to trailer lighting is cause for voiding the warranty, and that could be very expensive in the event covered service was required. The solution seems to be a modular wiring kit with the electrical connector concealed out of sight when not in use. I'd planned to install such wiring to power the rack's redundant taillights, so this is an issue which I now must consider. I'd figured redundant rack lighting might help prevent the Nomad from becoming a very expensive bumper for following drivers who aren't very dedicated to the task of driving.

Goodness, things do become complicated! Quickly!

• I don't plan to use the hitch-rack much...this is a sort of backup plan in case I need "extraction" from the very remote areas where I travel alone. It wouldn't take much.; turning an ankle could pretty well put a stopper on me getting back out again under my own power in a reasonable timedframe. The idea is to fit the hitch rack to the car before departure, then leave the keys for my sister to drive in the event things go Really Bad while on tour. This could mean a very long trip, as I live in Oregon and there are *no* emergency services of any kind in all of Nevada's northern Washoe County where I like to tour Black Rock Desert and the associated dry regions of America's Great Basin. I go alone and there is no bus service or sometimes even communication available, so I am trying to be extra-responsible and have a backup plan for my usual backup plans in case I get truly stranded. At worst, it could still mean a 25-mile hike in very rough country to where I could get cellphone service, then hunkering down to wait or hauling the bike and myself to a location she could reach by non-4WD vehicle within several days. My sister had some horrifically major spine surgery not long ago, and I think she could attach a lighter hitch-mounted rack where a roof-mounted version would be impossible. This raises the possibility of her coming to get me if things unexpectedly went Bad on, say, a 400km day ride.

So, some major side issues to consider before purchase, and I continue to welcome any thoughts going forward.

All the best,

Dan.
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: sdg_77 on September 25, 2013, 08:49:10 pm
Dan - reading through your last paragraph I wonder if a different approach would work for you?

In the scenario you describe, your sister could end up driving a long way with the empty rack on the car.  Without an extra set of lights I would see this  as the time the rack and your car are most at risk from an inattentive following driver?

Apologies if this is something you have considered and  rejected .....

If you are in a state of needing rescuing someone will have to remove the panniers etc from the bike and load them inside the car,  so could you also take the wheels out and put the bike in first and pack the panniers around it?  My Sherpa fits into our Civic with just the front wheel out.  Some bubble wrap and newspaper protect the inside of the car and I can loop the rear seatbelts around the handlebars or a pedal crank to give some protection in the event of a crash.  From what I remember of the Focus hatches I have had on hire, the load space with the rear seats folded is at least as big as in the Civic.

If  I am just taking one bike somewhere and don't need much overnight kit,  I tend to go for this option as it is quicker than taking the rack off the garage wall,  attaching it and then putting it back again on my return.  For two bikes and a weekend away the rack is definitely the best option.

hope that helps
sdg.

Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Danneaux on September 26, 2013, 01:34:56 am
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...hope that helps...
A tremendous help, Steve; thanks!

It is indeed very appealing to carry the bike inside the car, where it is safe and protected from dust, dirt, rain, constant wind and of course, rear-ending by another car. It is also much more convenient, as you note. This is one of the reasons why I chose a hatchback car; they have so much more utility than a car with only a boot (trunk).

I've attached a photo showing the Nomad inside my '89 Honda Civic Si -- it just fit, almost to the millimeter! On that trip I had the happy coincidence of friends dropping by my family's little vacation cabin in Yachats on the off chance I might be there (and was!). They had been antique shopping in their minivan, and there was only room for the trailer, the six panniers, the rack-top load and the handlebar bag...everything except the bike. I had to drive the Honda back the next day to retrieve the bike -- and there was no room inside for the luggage if it had not gone home the day before.

I need to have room in the car for two people plus the bike touring kit. There are hitch-mounted cargo carriers ( http://www.etrailer.com/faq-cargo-carrier-info.aspx ), but I'd also need a storage box of some sort to put the stuff in -- and then I run into the taillight blockage issue once more. Steve, your roof pod solves the problem very nicely, but I don't think it would clear my garage door and I know Denise (sister) wouldn't be able to get it on the car if it wasn't already mounted.

Hmm.
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In the scenario you describe, your sister could end up driving a long way with the empty rack on the car.  Without an extra set of lights I would see this  as the time the rack and your car are most at risk from an inattentive following driver?
This is a major concern for me, Steve. After her back surgery, it would be especially tragic if she were rear-ended while headed out to rescue me. Drivers here'bouts are terrible and follow closely as it is. I'm not sure they'd manage to miss an empty rack even if it were lighted. I know my homegrown lighting wouldn't look nearly as nice and professional as the molded plastic nacelles on the commercial version you own.

Yes, the cargo space in the Focus should be at least as big as the Honda's. There is a large subwoofer in one corner that is part of the factory stereo system, but the seatback will quick-fold nearly flat or the lower seat cushion will tumble forward and then the seatback will fold to make a flat cargo hold. It should fit. The weather should improve by the weekend and it seems a Very Good Idea to have a go at trying to fit the bike in the car. Otherwise, I'm looking at wiring the car and rack and getting lights as well.

Really helpful thoughts, everyone; thanks. Time to try the bike in the car and go from there.

All the best,

Dan.
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Relayer on September 26, 2013, 08:12:41 am
Dan

I'm pretty sure you'll get your Nomad in the back of the Focus.  I used to have a Ford Mondeo which isn't all that much bigger and I could get my Dawes Galaxy in the back of that fairly easily without even taking the wheels off.

If you were to mount the bike at the back of the car over hundreds of miles it would get seriously blasted with mud and goodness knows what other types of crud, to avoid this would mean wrapping your bike up with some pretty tough protective covering.

Cheers.

Jim
Title: Re: Advice needed for platform-type (car) hitch-mount bike rack
Post by: Danneaux on May 07, 2014, 08:59:57 pm
Update: *If* all went according to plan, I just got this -- a well-rated PerformanceBikes TransIt Flatbed 2DLX 2-Bike Hitch Rack at USD$80 off: http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1122106_-1_400019__400019
There were only five left when I ordered and now there's four listed, so I think I got it. The "Order has been received" email arrived, but I won't know for sure till the fulfillment email arrives. Fingers crossed. It'll be delivered while I'm gone so won't see it till after mid-September, but Performance accepts returns pretty much forever and at the local store, so no return shipping if it doesn't work out.
I wish it would also fit the tandem, but that's asking a lot. This rack maxes out at a 58in wheelbase and Reddy Twofer (the red '89 Burley Rock 'n' Roll touring tandem that is always Reddy for anything and for its riders, the Ready Two for Adventure) is longer than that. May have to fabricate a mount on the little utility trailer for it. Even if the tandem fit the rack, it would protrude past the sides of the car, making for an expensive clearance indicator. Still thinking....

This, the Focus, and relatives comprise my Danneaux-Rescue Backup Plan. I've long pondered a solution for what to do if the bike breaks midway on a solo 400km day ride in remote country. This will work, provided I have cell service when things go pear-shaped. Otherwise, it will be a long, long walk Out or several nights in the woods en route to a road, so still best I pack my SOL (Short On Luck) kit justincase.

Still need to mount a hitch and wire the car, but that'll happen after I return.

Best,

Dan.