Thorn Cycles Forum
Community => Non-Thorn Related => Topic started by: SPINNERS on December 13, 2005, 01:53:54 pm
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I've used Rolls saddles since I started cycling in the early 90's and although I've never had a problem with them I fancy giving Brooks a go and have a standard-width B17 coming this week.
What's your view?
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Hi
I have a B72 which I use on my Moulton and find it very comfortable.
I have a Dahon this has a Club professional, this is also very good.
I do not know why the two saddles are so good when they are completly different shapes but I am not complaining.
paul
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I have got three black Swift that i find work for all kind of riding. Touring, Mtb, and even roadracing! Two I bought for pennies secondhand from folks that gave up to early (and made my job much more easy!)! See, it takes a dedicated cyclist to break in the lether, but I belive there is a "pre-softend" version available for...softies ;). But I have read in forums that many find that they fit right away so I guess it is individual.
When you choose a sadle you first need narrow down what type of riding it shall be used for and what position you use when you ride: aero = very narrow sadle, upright = wider model, maybe springs!
I belive that if one ride alot it is best to go for a narrower type, because it is not only the sadel gets broken in...;)
Sheldon has more info:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/saddles.html
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B17 Champion Specials have always worked for me. No break in required.
If there is a painful break in period, you might have the wrong saddle. Leather will conform to your anatomy over time, but if it hurts from the beginning then it's your tush that's breaking in, not the leather. I usually go along with Sheldon's advice, but I think his soaking the saddle in oil is overkill.
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I have three Brooks Team Pro so that must be my favorite [:D]
Richard
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I have a basic B17 in honey on my Raven - love it! I used a dozen different saddles over the course of a decade or so on my previous bike and never found one I really liked. I was in love with this Brooks from the start - the breaking-in bit didn't even bother me too much.
Now the colour has darkened a bit particularly where it's most worn, which for some reason reminds me of a Gibson Les Paul in the Honey Burst finish.
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Well I just find this Posting about which Brooks Saddle is Your Favourite?
So for Me it's a FLYER SPECIAL My one is over 4 years old and its Love to My Bum ;)
I do have a few more Brooks Saddles :o some I do not like and A new on is just waiting on a Bike to come along ::)
Here are the Brooks I have some need selling off!
Swallow 2005 Limited Edition still new and I must sell it off on day @ the right price :-\
Team Professional Chrome this was my 2nd Brooks (Sorry to have Sold my 1st) date from about late 1990's?
Swift Titanium I do not like this saddle! I have had my Bum on this Saddle for Miles and Miles and still no Love :(
B17 Select World Traveller my 2nd Limited Edition just got second hand But New never been on a bike, this is the one waiting on a bike to be used 8)
Flyer Special this is on my "Tom" and staying on! its Love ;D
So how about you all? which Brooks do you all like?
Pete ;)
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Hi Pete!
I have a beautiful chrome-railed honey B.17 Champion Special I like, but my real favorites are several B.17 Standards. I have several I've re-riveted with larger copper rivets, but I like the standard steel rivets now the plating has been improved in recent years and they are far more rust-resistant. They do vary in feel and comfort from example to example...I much prefer the harder ones, as they remain dome-shaped a bit longer. I've several that are just barely broken in that I need to sell, as they are no longer my preferred shape and are a bit too soft for me.
I had a Champion Flyer, but we didn't get along too well and it was sold on. I think it was most likely a problem with my individual sample, as even the leather looked very different from usual. Did well, though. Bought it for around USD$64 and sold it for about USD$164; the buyer was ecstatic...and so was the seller! I may try another some day.
Best,
Dan.
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Hi Dan
Very good here is some think to help the ball rolling :P
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7301/8747302408_b7607af3a7_c.jpg)
The Top View
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8130/8746183197_cdb3022da6_c.jpg)
Left:485 Mid:1977 (year of the King) Right: how cares?
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8117/8747302920_39a04fcf1e_c.jpg)
Two Limited Edition Brooks has to be One too many?
Pete ;)
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I am humbled yet again. First it was the unicycle, now the Brooks.
I inherited a B17 when Andy kindly sold me his Raven.
And what a fantastic fit. I never want to get off it.
Back metal logo has gone rusty but leather in perfect shape.
Hope it looks after me on my long tour next year.
:)
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Come on I'm just the guy next door.
I got my 1st Brooks in 1987's and only sold it because the guy buying my old Road Racing (super light Touring) bike would only buy it if I left the Brooks on! It had a hard life cycle touring in loads of Rain in the U.K.
I order the Swallow 2005 Limited Edition thinking it was just a STD Brooks Swallow! it was on order for over a year as Brooks NZ man forgot to order it a few times 8) I was going to put it on my Mountain Bike at the time! Only to have my LBS (at the time) say it was to good to go onto my MTB? and that it was a Limited Edition?? so It has just sat on my bookcase . . . waiting to Sale when the price goes up?
The Brooks B17 Select World Traveller is to be used because of things that make 2012 a good year to be alive!
Pete . . . 8)
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B73. Helical spring at each corner. Degenerate comfort. -- Andre Jute
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Aw, Pete! What a marvelous collection, and I'm so happy someone has it who appreciates the saddles!
I do love seeing that Brooks B17 Select World Traveller. And, I do wish it came in, say, Black with a silver impress! Ooh, if it did, one *would* find a perch atop the Nomad!
A couple people have asked me why I didn't get along with the Flyer I owned and then sold on. I wanted to like it, but the core problem is I prefer to ride with a 45° back angle while atop my drop 'bars' brake hoods, and with my light spinning cadence, I just wasn't loading the springs firmly enough to feel any of their effect. Nothing against the saddle...it just wasn't a match for my position and because of that, had no more "spring" than the B17 Standard's rigid frame (disappointment). If I rode more upright, it would have been ideal. What I probably should have done was to look for softer springs among Brooks' spares to substitute -- that would have been just the ticket.
You did a kind thing posting those photos, Pete. I've already gone back for "just one more look" several times now! Real beauties, those! Good on ya!
Best,
Dan.
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Well i only have the one brook's it's the green b17 special with copper rails and rivets .
great saddle out of the box ,on my raleigh i have the fizik alanti another master[piece but it was expensive ,my son bought it for me when he raced in Belgium ,i think he pain 160euro for it ::)
lovely collection there pete ;)
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Fabulous collection, Pete -- we're in the domain of wants now, eh? But one could do a whole lot worse...
Clearly no answer to the question, "How many Brooks can one man cross?" :-)
I have just the one, a Premium (I think it is) -- nice dark brown with copper rivets.
I's so good I don't ever think about it when I'm riding; but I often look at it and think, "Jeez, that looks just right."
J.
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"Jeez, that looks just right."
Sure does, John! Sure does.
Best,
Dan.
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My Nomad has a black b17 Narrow and the Thorn Tandem has two black B17 standards.
I prefer the b17 narrow to the b17 but that may be just a case of the the b17 narrow being well broken in before I even tried the b17.
The only change I have considered is replacing it with a nice brown one. Maybe I could "sell" neading a spare to break in over time
Andy
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O' No
I have find one more Brooks Saddle :o
Its a Brooks Conquest Saddle in black! if only it was in Brown ::)
Pete :-[
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O' No I have find one more Brooks Saddle
No! Tragic, Pete! ;D
Perhaps you could trade it for a brown one?
Best,
Dan.
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No! Tragic, Pete! ;D
Perhaps you could trade it for a brown one?
Best,
Dan.
I would have more luck gotting a New Brooks C17 test Saddle then finding a almost new (Like New) Conquest :( as Brooks Stopped making them year's ago :(
Pete :'(
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I once had a B17 Narrow on which I did many thousands of miles, it took a long time to break in but after that is was fantastic. Unfortunately I was seduced by a Swift with Titanium rails and I let the B17N go with my Galaxy to a new owner.
The Swift Titanium didn't suit me, somehow I felt I always seemed to end up sitting on the rivets.
I have tried a few B17 Titaniums, but I have the same issues as Dan. I don't want to end up with the hammock shape, and it seems to me the B17s are getting softer/thinner - perhaps to make them easier out of the box I wonder?
...I much prefer the harder ones, as they remain dome-shaped a bit longer. I've several that are just barely broken in that I need to sell, as they are no longer my preferred shape and are a bit too soft for me.
Also, my B17 Titanium recently had some sort of mishap and ended up slightly wonky...
(http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac224/relayer_2009/Bikes/IMG_0440_zpsd8078075.gif) (http://s902.photobucket.com/user/relayer_2009/media/Bikes/IMG_0440_zpsd8078075.gif.html)
I am now trying out a B17 Select on my RST, hopefully it will retain its shape longer ...
(http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac224/relayer_2009/Bikes/IMG_0457_zps55c061d0.jpg) (http://s902.photobucket.com/user/relayer_2009/media/Bikes/IMG_0457_zps55c061d0.jpg.html)
P.S. I am also trying out a Team Pro Titanium on my Audax (again) which will need a lot of breaking in, but if it ends up like the B17N then I will be delighted.
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Man, that's a lovely bike you have there, Relayer. So nice to see fresh photos if it.
As for the tilted Ti-railed Brooks, I've seen this before. If you have a spare seatpost ("spare" to prevent tweaking a good 'un and so it is out of the bike so *it* won't get tweaked either), it is possible to drill a hole in a stump or log to take the 'post whilst using a stick of hardwood as a gentle pry from below and between the rails to set them straight again (setting the saddle all the way back on the rails makes it easier to accomplish). It is best to leave the clamp slightly loose to allow free movement. I've done it for others with good results provided it is caught before the leather takes a "set" under rider weight in compensation for the tilt. And no, I don't know what causes it in the absence of apparent impact. The steel-railed models don't seem to do this.
Best,
Dan.
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Dan (the veritable mine of information!!)
Thanks for the advice about the tilted saddle. I have no idea either what the cause was, my bike did fall over once a year or two back but I didn't see any damage at the time and can't recall if it was this saddle or another. However, it is nice to know that there is a potential cure. I have a spare seatpost, and also a drill - but not a cordless one, so I guess I'll have to get a suitable log home!
Cheers.
Jim