Thorn Cycles Forum
Technical => Luggage => Topic started by: Andybg on October 10, 2012, 08:15:32 pm
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Does anyone have one of the above bags and either be able to let me know the length of the main pocket or give me advice on the best pump that will fit in one?
I am considering trying some sks p65 mudguards on the Nomad when I put on my Schwalbe Ice Spiker tyres but these will interfere with the Zefal pump. I am hoping the clearance with p65 will give enough clearance to make them more of a help than a hinderance?
Any advice or ideas appreciated
Cheers
Andy
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Andy,
Might it be possible to simply raise your existing mudguards by removing any spacers at the bridges and perhaps extending the stays or substituting some from http://ecom1.planetbike.com/smallparts.html ?
If the stays are left long, capped, and external to the brackets, the mudguard clearance can be adjusted seasonally as needed to accommodate your tires. Given the small cost of replacement stays versus complete mudguard sets, it might be worh a look if the basic tire width remains the same. Or, if one prefers stays with internal fixation, a second set of stays can be swapped seasonally instead.
All the best,
Dan. (who has 'guarded opinions about stays...)
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OT but, best pump?
Lezyne Mini Stand pump. Sits very happily on a bracket off the bidon mounts. A great pump for varying your tyre pressure for sealed vs. sand roads. Get the HP version for any high pressure tyres, HV for bigger tyre widths.
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Andy,
are you refering to the Barley Super C saddlebag? http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carradice-super-c-barley-saddlebag-9ltr-prod28663/
If so I can measure one for you. I think from reading about these on other forums Carradice dimensions can be er, wrong or individual bags may vary. They are VERY "hand made" but in a curiously pleasing way.
Cheers
Ian
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Yes Ian that is the one I am considering.
I need to pick up something to use as a defacto bag for the bike to carry at all times. I carry a lot of things I need in the rear panniers, but I occasionaly run without them if I am planning on just a quick joy ride. That is the time you suddenly find there is something you need that you just dont have.
If you could let me know the measurement I can have a look and see what pump I can fit.
How have you found it? I considered the bar bag in combination but having never run with a barbag it is a big investment to find that I just dont like loosing sight of my front wheel.
I am over in the UK for 2 weeks the beginning of November so this will be my big cycle shopping trip for the year.
Regards
Andy
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I am pretty sure the photo on that SJS link is wrong as it seems to show the bigger Super C bag, and what they are calling the Barley is the Audax bag. At least I hope so I just ordered one. I'll let you know the dimensions when it turns up.
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Hi Andy,
the main pocket is 280mm across as it sits on the bike. A slightly longer pump may squeeze in but it would bulge into the outer pockets.
Cambirder, the Thorn picture is correct. That is what I got two weeks ago. It is dinky. Things are confused by the Carradice website that calls it an audax and has a photo that makes it look like a 1/6 scale action man accessory ::) http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=type&product_id=115 But most retailers call it a Super C Barley as it is the same size as a traditional Barley and this is what, I think, Peter White called it when he first commissioned them for the US market and we couldn't have them. The straight Super C is a monster @ 23l.
It is a really nice bag though and great for leaning against dry stone walls.
Cheers
Ian
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that's a really nice piece of kit there Ian love carradice bags.
at the moment i'm using my ortlieb barbag on the rear (bagman support) the camper is just to big for day rides. ;)
ooops sorry Andy got carried away there for a moment. ::)
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Have you got a picture of that jags.
It is the one area I think ortlieb lets itself down. No saddle bag akin to a carradice
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The straight Super C is a monster @ 23l.
That's what's on my bike:
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r6/kukulaj/Nomad/PA080236.jpg)
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Lovely Jim
I must say your bike has been a great inspiration. How have you found the bar bag and also while quizing you - is that comfort bars you have on there - and again what are your thoughts?
My cycling is a bit like yours in that I rarely do more than a 3-4 hour ride and for pleasure and utility
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Have you got a picture of that jags.
It is the one area I think ortlieb lets itself down. No saddle bag akin to a carradice
Andy theres a picture of it somewhere on the forum .(Dan to the rescue).
the problem with the camper bag , when it's not full, ish it will flop on each side of the rack and i dont have a lot of saddle height on my Raleigh and its next to impossible to stiffen the inside of the bag, believe me i've tried.
but on overnighters it's most defo the best bag ,unbelievable the amount of gear you can get in there.
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theres a picture of it somewhere on the forum .(Dan to the rescue).
Hi, jags and Andy!
Nope, I came up empty for any photos of jags' Carradice Camper on his Sherpa. Lots of discussion about it, but the only photo I can find shows jags' Sherpa with the Carradice Rack Pack mounted, here:
http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=3981.msg18235#msg18235
I went through your Ireland tour pics, and didn't see it there, 'cos you were running panniers at the time. I'll keep my eyes open; I'm sure I've seen it...
Best,
Dan.
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Cambirder, the Thorn picture is correct. That is what I got two weeks ago. It is dinky. Things are confused by the Carradice website that calls it an audax and has a photo that makes it look like a 1/6 scale action man accessory ::) http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=type&product_id=115 But most retailers call it a Super C Barley as it is the same size as a traditional Barley and this is what, I think, Peter White called it when he first commissioned them for the US market and we couldn't have them. The straight Super C is a monster @ 23l.
It is a really nice bag though and great for leaning against dry stone walls.
Cheers
Ian
Thanks for that, the 2 pictures look totally different, and the Carradice image looks a totally different colour. I just assumed Carradice's picture was the more accurate one. Combined with my Super C bar bag I thought this set up would be perfect for the 200k rides I will be attempting through the winter months. Just ordered a nice pair of Northwave Celsius winter boots as well to keep my toes toasty, although that probably guarantees a mild winter.
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For Audax rides I use the Carradice SQR Tour and find it a very capacious bag. Sometimes I use it with a handlebar bag.
http://www.carradice.co.uk/products/type/sqrtour
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How have you found the bar bag
It's solid and seems plenty waterproof. It's on the shallow side which means stuff doesn't get too lost down there and also it clears my front light.
The way I have it mounted, on the accessory bar, there is a bit of a snug clearance between the buckles and my brake levers. I am getting better at getting the buckle re-fastened with one hand while I am riding. I have the bag mounted with probably more tilt down to the front than I want, but that increases the space between the buckle and the brake lever. Now I have figured out the re-buckling is a sort of two step operation - slide the buckle down between the bag and the brake lever, then reach under the brake lever with my thumb to snap it shut. I tried to re-position the bag today - actually, a snug fit close to the brake levers might be good, because it'll keep the buckle from moving much as I re-position my thumb for the coup de grace.
I keep my click-stand in there, plus a light with a head strap and some reading glasses, some snacks, usually some head and/or hand warmth like a balaclava or a buff, often a small camera, my sunglasses case with extra lenses to swap as conditions change. Sometimes a little notebook and often my wallet and coin purse. It's plenty big for these sorts of things, but it's not going to hold anything much bigger.
is that comfort bars you have on there - and again what are your thoughts?
Right, those are the regular alloy comfort bars and the basic Ergon grips. I like the setup well enough. Hard to compare really since this is the only bike I ride much. I ride a lot with my thumbs on top of the grips rather than grasping them. Sometimes I even just grab the ends of the grips as if there were proper bar-ends there. I can sort of massage my palms a bit that way. I do get a bit of hand numbness from time to time so I am still trying to figure out what I need to do to prevent that.
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r6/kukulaj/Nomad/PA110240.jpg)
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I use the Carradice SQR Tour
I have my saddle bag mounted using the SQR gadget. This should actually reduce the stress on the seat rails a bit too, along with making it easy to detach the bag.
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Here is a top view of the SuperC bar bag mounted on an accessory bar below the comfort bars.
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r6/kukulaj/Nomad/PA110243.jpg)
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Thanks for that comprehensive analysis of the bar bag.
Fortunatly when I am in the UK, I am staying about 30 mins from the Carradice factory so will go and drop in.
It certainly looks very useful piece of ket to have along for the ride. Positioning of accessoires around the handlebars seems to be getting more and more of an art as we try to cram more things there.
In respect to the numb hands, this is something alot of people suffer from with straight bars, especialy without bar ends. It is just down to pressure in the same areas and not rotating the wrist at all.
It has been a topic I have been investigating in my Hand Position topic. I like the Humpert Hornbar bars with the built in "extra positions". My only cocern is that they look like they will be too long in the top for the bike I have manages to pick up. They look like a good option to change for drops. Although maybe with a 50mm stem I might get away with it.
Anyway - only three weeks till I pick up the new bike and then can play with handlebars and start my Nomad rebuild.
PS - That saddle looks far too close to the handlebars and the angle looks very uncomfortable!! lol
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Say Andy if you get a good deal on the carradice saddle bag let me know will you thanks.
sjs sell them at 49 pound but the postage is to expensive as is carradice.
but still the audex bag looks ::)
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In respect to the numb hands, this is something alot of people suffer from with straight bars, especialy without bar ends. It is just down to pressure in the same areas and not rotating the wrist at all.
It has been a topic I have been investigating in my Hand Position topic.
Yes, some interesting discussion there! It sends me off browsing handlebars on websites around the world... and then I wake back up & think: I just need to ride! Definitely worth trying to get it right when setting up a bike. At some point I might tweak a bit, maybe in a few years. Fascinating reading along the way though!
That saddle looks far too close to the handlebars and the angle looks very uncomfortable!!
Yeah, bike maneuvers require a contortionist here!
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r6/kukulaj/Nomad/PA120244.jpg)
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whats in that brown cardboard box ;)
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whats in that brown cardboard box
oh, cardboard boxes! Then there is my storage unit, a dozen miles from here or so:
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r6/kukulaj/Nomad/IMG_1213.jpg)
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;D ;D you need a storage unit you must have a lot of bike gear to store. ;)
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you must have a lot of bike gear to store.
10,000 books! Yeah there are some spare tires in there too!
http://www.librarything.com/profile/kukulaj (http://www.librarything.com/profile/kukulaj)
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Calling Andy did you have any luck on the audex bag.did you visit the carradice factory any bargains to be had. ;)
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I am not going to the Factory till the beginning of November so if there is anything in paticular you are looking out for let me know.
I am taking with wife with me as it is getting fairly close to my 40th so you never know I might just be able to plant an idea or two - lol
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andy plan well in advance ;)
as far as i know carradice sells seconds at a good discount i'm like yourself after the audex or barley .
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Hi Jags,
A few photos of our Barley bags on RST.
Mine without and with using a Bagman.
My wife's as is without Bagman as she prefers it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80450786@N02/sets/72157631805354694/with/8102482973/
Steve
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Steve thanks for that looks class, seems to be perfect size.
hopefully i will be buying one in the next few weeks.
would you believe the wee handle on the bag support for the QR broke of as i was fixing the ortlieb barbag to it >:( not impressed.
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Jags,
You got me thinking and I've just phoned Carradice and they are posting me a Black Barley second for £35 posted!
I think they have others. I emailed early in the week but got no reply so phone.
Steve
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excellent thats what i like to hear. ;)
i cant buy until next weel at the earlist.
wonder would they sell me one of there seconds.
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Why wouldn't they?
I guess you have to find out what the postage will be to Ireland.
If you have no luck then I am happy to send you mine for what I paid plus postage to Ireland.
I have one already and am in no hurry for another but want one eventually for my other bikes as it is a pain always swapping over.
Let me know it arrives next week sometime.
Steve
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Cheers Steve really appreciate that, at the moment i'm bidding on a wheel ebay if i win hopefully that will drain my finances ;D ;D but if i dont i will take you up on that offer cheers buddy.
an my day is starting to brighten already even though i'm dying with flu. ;D
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Steve i lost the bid on the wheel went for £160 ::)
so i'm on the trail of that barley bag, i emailed carradice but as yet no reply,
if i don't get any joy from them are you still on for selling me yours.
if you had a change of heart no worries i fully understand.
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Hi Jags,
You should phone them because they didn't answer my email.
If no luck then yes you can have mine.
It hasn't arrived yet and i am going to be off cycling for a while.
I had a big fall yesterday and can only just walk at the moment!
Steve
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I had a big fall yesterday and can only just walk at the moment!
Ohhhhhh, mannnn. Not good news, and I'm very sorry this happened to you, Steve. Beyond the immediate pain, bruising and likely road-rash, are you okay? Nothing major, I hope, and best wishes for feeling better soonest!
"Ouch" in sympathy and empathy,
Dan. (...One moment everything's fine and the birds are singing, then...! Ohh, oh!)
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Thanks Dan, I've just posted another thread about circumstances. The birds were actually singing and then bang it happened very quickly.
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AH Steve sorry to hear that hope nothing is broken and your back in the saddle very shortly.
what happened to you.
thanks about the bag if i dont hear from them this week i'll let you know,
i can pay you by paypay if there any money left in it that is. ::)
thanks Steve get well soon.
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Jags, tried to send pm this morning but it didn't work for some reason.
The bag has arrived but I have not taken it out of its packaging because if you want it I will just put a label on it and take it to Post Office.
You should phone Carradice about seconds. I tried to email but got no response what so ever.
When I phoned they answered straight away.
So have a go at phoning and see what they've got.
Steve
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steve sent you 2 pm did you get them. ::)
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Hi Jags sent you pm
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pm sent Steve thanks.
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cheers steve the bag came this morning great piece of kit really pleased with it no obvious signs of it been a second except maybe it was in store for a long time and got a wee bit dirty other than that its spot on.
i have it on my raleigh ready for the road,i now have my raleigh and sherpa ready with everything i need for all types of cycling ,rain gear / spares /pump/food/money/lights/tubes /same for both bikes no need to go looking for stuff anymore all i need to do now is get my lazy ass out the door and get some miles in me little legs ;D
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[Posted on behalf of jags...]
His new Carradice bag, mounted.
Best,
Dan.
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Thanks for that Dan, hope Steve likes the barley i certainly do just exactly what i wanted.
super bags carradice they just have a great look about them.
my Raleigh would make the perfect audex bike if a fella was crazy enough to go down that road. ;D
Anyway thanks Steve for the bag and Dan for posting the photos.
hard to believe that bike is 28 years old ;)
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Looking good Jags, great classic combination.
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Cheers Steve yeah i love it. ;)