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Community => Rohloff Internal Hub Gears => Topic started by: Inbred on March 06, 2022, 10:06:17 pm
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Help needed...
I have an older model Rohloff shifter with a triangular shaped grip. I would like to swap the grip for a round one. Unfortunately SJSC don't have any, only the newer Rohloff Light ones, that won't fit!
Does anyone know where I can get what I need?
Cheers! 😊
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Been there, seen that and would have got the T-Shirt but they don’t make them any more.
Unless you are lucky and find a bike shop with old stock, you are probably not going to find this. I spent weeks on a quest to replace mine and eventually got the last one from a shop in Prague after drawing blanks in UK and other parts of Europe.
Depending on the condition of your existing grip, you may be able to get it usable again. My rubber was perishing and was making my hands sticky. A weekly dusting with talcum powder worked for me. And then I discovered shrinking rubber. Cheap and effective. I could recover the grip and no need to talc it any longer.
But then I found the last replacement grip in the world (at least it felt like this) and decided to fit it in place of my shrink rubber repaired one which was otherwise working fine.
Here is a link to my post on the grip repair with shrink rubber and where to order for this inexpensive repair alternative. http://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=14161.0 (http://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=14161.0)
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I hadn't realised they were different apart from the grips, I've never had cause to look, so it was just an assumption.
That would explain why my secondhand hub came with two complete shifters!
So, I have this one if it's of any interest to you, fairly worn but it seems to run smooth, I haven't used it so untested but I'm happy to post if it's of use.
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So, I have this one if it's of any interest to you, fairly worn but it seems to run smooth, I haven't used it so untested but I'm happy to post if it's of use.
That looks like the round one. Mine on my Nomad Mk II that I built up in 2013 came with that version shifter. The rubber is soft, abrades easily.
I used some black Shoe Goo (a product sold in USA, I think not sold in Europe or UK) to put three beads on mine for better grip and to reduce wear and abrasion. This photo is five years old and mine has not worn much since I put the Shoe Goo on it.
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Mine was sweat slippery from the start as well. In Vietnam I wrapped it tight with a shoe lace. LOL. It came loose a few times. That's the way I had it until I found, in my dad's garage stuff, a random hat shape rubber part that fit over it.
Been working nice ever since, all of my last tour. I have a spare swirl one unused.
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That looks like the round one.
Yes, isn't that what Inbred is looking for?
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That looks like the round one.
Yes, isn't that what Inbred is looking for?
Yes.
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So, I have this one if it's of any interest to you, fairly worn but it seems to run smooth, I haven't used it so untested but I'm happy to post if it's of use.
That looks like the round one. Mine on my Nomad Mk II that I built up in 2013 came with that version shifter. The rubber is soft, abrades easily.
I used some black Shoe Goo (a product sold in USA, I think not sold in Europe or UK) to put three beads on mine for better grip and to reduce wear and abrasion. This photo is five years old and mine has not worn much since I put the Shoe Goo on it.
Shoe Goo might be another version of what is sold as Sugru in the UK? Seems similar - a moldable, settable plasticky/rubbery substance.
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Thanks very much for all your help so far.
I was actually after a new grip.
My triangular one isn't worn out, I'd just prefer a round one.
Thanks again 😊👍
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My 2013 Mk 2 Nomad came with the Twistshifter ‘Light’ unit (which is still current) and the so-called ‘round’ rubber grip. The grip wore out and I replaced it with the latest ‘Wave’ design, which I find is better than the ‘round’ grip.
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I'm proper confused now :-\
have I got this right -
Inbred wants to swap a triangular grip (A) for a round one (B) and the wavy one (C) won't fit.
Tony has swapped his round grip for a wavy one.
How many have their been? I thought it was just three, in which case it's hard to see how A-B would be interchangeable and B-C not.
I think the chances of finding a new round shifter is low, my impression is they weren't around for long, as several have mentioned the grip was poor and I think the wavy was a replacement rather than an alternative.
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The triangular and round grips only fit the original Rohloff shifter (which I have).
The wavey one only fits the newer Rohloff Light shifter.
Unfortunately, the original shifter and its grips, aren't available anymore.
I'd have to replace the whole shifter, if I wanted to change!
Hope that cleared things up????
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The triangular and round grips only fit the original Rohloff shifter (which I have).
The wavey one only fits the newer Rohloff Light shifter.
Unfortunately, the original shifter and its grips, aren't available anymore.
I'd have to replace the whole shifter, if I wanted to change!
Hope that cleared things up????
And the round one fits the same shifter as the wavy one? At least that's Tony's experience, so no, I'm still confused ???
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I've just had a look on the SJS website, they have a L/H round grip (Obviously not what you want) which specifically says
Spare parts for newer style Twistshifter light, will not fit older "triangluar" style shifter.
Are you sure what you're looking for will fit what you have? I don't know otherwise, but it would be a big disappointment to find something and then discover it didn't!
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hub-spares/rohloff-rubber-grip-for-left-hand-twistshifter-light-8195/
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The triangular and round grips only fit the original Rohloff shifter ....
The wavey one only fits the newer Rohloff Light shifter.
Unfortunately, the original shifter and its grips, aren't available anymore.
I'd have to replace the whole shifter, if I wanted to change!
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This has been my understanding. And my disappointment because I would like to have the newer wavy one, but not at that price. I have never liked the round one.
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The triangular and round grips only fit the original Rohloff shifter ....
The wavey one only fits the newer Rohloff Light shifter.
Unfortunately, the original shifter and its grips, aren't available anymore.
I'd have to replace the whole shifter, if I wanted to change!
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This has been my understanding. And my disappointment because I would like to have the newer wavy one, but not at that price. I have never liked the round one.
Mickeg: the shifter unit in your photo above looks very much like the one fitted to my 2013 Mk2 Nomad - the Twist Shifter Light version. In might be worth double checking because if it is then the Wave design rubber grip is compatible as a straight replacement for the original rubber grip and you wouldn’t have to replace the whole shifter unit.
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Just to add to the above, this is a link to Rohloff website which shows the pre 2010 design shifter unit (the one that came with the triangular rubber grip) and if you keep scrolling down, the successor design - the Twistshifter Light - which initially came with a ‘round’, as opposed to a triangular, grip (like the one in Mickeg’s photo) and then more recently the Wave design grip. The 2 rubber grips designed for the post 2010 Twistshifter Light are not compatible with the pre 2010 shifter unit and the pre 2010 triangular grip is not compatible with the post 2010 Twistshifter unit. If that makes sense.
So, as far as I can tell there have been two designs of shifter unit and three different rubber grips……….🙂
https://www.rohloff.de/en/service/handbook/speedhub/assembly/twist-shifter/twist-shifter-until-2010
Post 2010 shifter link
https://www.rohloff.de/en/service/handbook/speedhub/assembly/twist-shifter
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The 2 rubber grips designed for the post 2010 Twistshifter Light are not compatible with the pre 2010 shifter unit and the pre 2010 triangular grip is not compatible with the post 2010 Twistshifter unit.
If that's correct, and the advert for a L/H round grip also indicates it is, then what Inbred is looking for has never existed.... or has it....
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Just to add to the above, this is a link to Rohloff website which shows the pre 2010 design shifter unit (the one that came with the triangular rubber grip) and if you keep scrolling down, the successor design - the Twistshifter Light - which initially came with a ‘round’, as opposed to a triangular, grip (like the one in Mickeg’s photo) and then more recently the Wave design grip. The 2 rubber grips designed for the post 2010 Twistshifter Light are not compatible with the pre 2010 shifter unit and the pre 2010 triangular grip is not compatible with the post 2010 Twistshifter unit. If that makes sense.
So, as far as I can tell there have been two designs of shifter unit and three different rubber grips……….🙂
https://www.rohloff.de/en/service/handbook/speedhub/assembly/twist-shifter/twist-shifter-until-2010
Post 2010 shifter link
https://www.rohloff.de/en/service/handbook/speedhub/assembly/twist-shifter
Thank you.
My Nomad Mk II, I built that up in 2013, same year as yours. I bought my Rohloff from Germany, not from SJS, serial number 180659. The shifter I had in the photo in a previous post above was original to that date.
This link that you provided:
https://www.rohloff.de/en/service/handbook/speedhub/assembly/twist-shifter
the drawings in that link clearly show the round shifter like mine and it lists that grip as Rohloff part number 8190.
And SJS lists the Wave design shifter grip as 8190 too.
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hub-spares/rohloff-rubber-grip-for-twistshifter-light-wave-design-8190/
At that SJS link, the Q&A section, the question and answer to the last question asked is (pasted in italics, I added bold for emphasis):
Will This Fit The Previous Version Twist Shifter?
By Anonymous
28 Jan 2016
My twist shifter is this version in link below. Will the new wave design fit the previous non triangular shifter?
Thanks.
SJS Customer Service:
Hi,
Yes this rubber grip will fit your twistshifter as you have the twistshifter light. The twistshifter light used to come with the smooth grip (non-triangular), but this was slippery in the wet so they changed to the wave design for more grip. So all new twistshifter lights come with the wave design and all twistshifter light's with the smooth grip can be upgraded to the wave design.
Thanks.
So, that pretty much confirms that you are correct and that I can replace my round shifter with the Wave shifter.
My hub came with a manual in German, so i had to download manuals from their website. I just checked and their manual that I downloaded in Mar 2013 had photos of the triangular shifter where it described how to install. But also in Mar 2013, I had also downloaded a two page instruction for the new twistshifter, that shows the round one and lists it as new shifter 8206. (The file size is too big to attach as an attachment here.)
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So, if I read this correct, to summarize, I have the shifter "light" that was not originally called "light" and my round version shifter that had the round grip part 8190 can be replaced with the replacement wavy grip part 8190.
And it appears that was confirmed by SJS in their note dated 28Jan2016, above.
For the momemt, my Shoe Goo addition made mine work pretty well, but next time I order some parts I might add the wave grip too.
Thanks.
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So, if I read this correct, to summarize, I have the shifter "light" that was not originally called "light" and my round version shifter that had the round grip part 8190 can be replaced with the replacement wavy grip part 8190.
And it appears that was confirmed by SJS in their note dated 28Jan2016, above.
For the moment, my Shoe Goo addition made mine work pretty well, but next time I order some parts I might add the wave grip too.
Yep.
My own 2012 Nomad Mk2 came equipped with Light Shifter and round grip. I later ordered the wave grip and installed it in moments -- just a simple swap of the cover that involved removing and replacing the circlip at the end.
I like the wave grip very much and found it a worthwhile upgrade. The round grip on my borrowed Raven Tour proved very slippery in high humidity during my 2014 tour of Europe. The wave grip solved that problem for me.
Best,
Dan.