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Technical => Luggage => Topic started by: sd on February 26, 2018, 11:10:23 am

Title: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 26, 2018, 11:10:23 am
Anyone tried them? Very tempted. If I did I would have two. Thinking of buying one just try them out. I doubt that my heel would catch them on my Santos not sure with my Thorn tourer.

https://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/panniers/super-c-shopper-pannier
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: jags on February 26, 2018, 11:29:30 am
get a pair balance your ride ,there cool bags last a lifetime.
 8) 8)
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 26, 2018, 11:41:36 am
I have super c rear and just bought a pair of second hand front of eBay (in the post) but tempted to put the old rear C panniers on electric bike. I use it for pulling the trailer normally for the dog, firewood etc. There is a pair of front carradrys on it but I don't think much of them. Crap to be honest.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: Donerol on February 26, 2018, 12:38:21 pm
I have a Super C Shopper, bought 2nd hand about four years ago - I've used it regularly (1-2 times a week) ever since. I can definitely recommend it; the roll-top design swallows a good load, it's comfortable to carry off the bike, and it is easy to put it on and off the bike.  I haven't had a problem with heel strike but the bike is either a Raven Tour or another tourer, and my feet are relatively small (size 5 / 38).  There is quite a lot of adjustment in the carrier hooks and the bottom retaining hook.

I only have one so if I'm doing a large shop I pair it with a Super C rear pannier which I also have (my husband and I share a pair). It doesn't hold as much but I like the rear pocket for holding my wallet, keys and specs.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 26, 2018, 02:35:46 pm
I only have one so if I'm doing a large shop I pair it with a Super C rear pannier which I also have (my husband and I share a pair). It doesn't hold as much but I like the rear pocket for holding my wallet, keys and specs.
Yeah I use one rear pocket for phone wallet keys etc and the other one has the dogs used pooh bags in. Need to consider the latter. Although the mesh side pocket will make them more visible. Often forget to take them out.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: PH on February 26, 2018, 03:04:10 pm
£140 a pair, good grief, I'd want a lifetimes shopping delivered for that.
I'm lucky that I get to walk to most of the shops I use, when I ride to the farm shop I like to put the fruit and veg straight into the bag to save on disposable packaging, IMO the wipe clean Ortliebs are better for this.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 26, 2018, 06:47:41 pm
£140 a pair, good grief, I'd want a lifetimes shopping delivered for that.
I'm lucky that I get to walk to most of the shops I use, when I ride to the farm shop I like to put the fruit and veg straight into the bag to save on disposable packaging, IMO the wipe clean Ortliebs are better for this.
£112.98 delivered from sjs. I have pair of the small carradice carradrys which are the equivalents to the ortliebs and if you talking about wiping the inside clean then they are no better than the cotton duck. They will of course last a lifetime unlike the ortliebs. By the way how much are the ortilebs?
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: jags on February 26, 2018, 08:46:26 pm
SD what about Carradice longflap ,a fella would get half the supermarket in one of those bags. ;)
sorry not much help ,my wife does all the shopping in the car .
she wont allow me to go shopping with her i can't for the life of me figure out why. ::)

anto.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 26, 2018, 08:47:32 pm
Damn I bought them. SJS. Would have bided my time and got them off eBay eventually. None available and completed listing only had one (factory second) which went for £55.50. £56.50 each from sjs ......bargain!!
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 26, 2018, 08:49:39 pm
SD what about Carradice longflap ,a fella would get half the supermarket in one of those bags. ;)
sorry not much help ,my wife does all the shopping in the car .
she wont allow me to go shopping with her i can't for the life of me figure out why. ::)

anto.
Never tried a saddle bag put off due to lights on seat post.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: jags on February 26, 2018, 09:01:12 pm
there pretty good i have barley and longflap ,the longflap is very good barley to small.
anyway if your set on the shopper go for it.

anto.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: energyman on February 26, 2018, 09:15:46 pm
Load 'em up and then get an e-bike to get you home ;)
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: jags on February 26, 2018, 10:14:28 pm
what ebike have .
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: JimK on February 27, 2018, 03:21:50 am
I have a single shopper and use it quite a lot. One thing it has that the regular SuperC panniers don't is a shoulder strap so it's easy to lug around off the bike.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 27, 2018, 02:06:57 pm
there pretty good i have barley and longflap ,the longflap is very good barley to small.
anyway if your set on the shopper go for it.

anto.
Bought 2 see above. From good old sjs. Worked out at £56.50 each. EBay second £55.50 rarely available on eBay. I will have them full of sticks/ firewood same day they arrive.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: PH on February 27, 2018, 02:34:39 pm
£140 a pair, good grief, I'd want a lifetimes shopping delivered for that.
I'm lucky that I get to walk to most of the shops I use, when I ride to the farm shop I like to put the fruit and veg straight into the bag to save on disposable packaging, IMO the wipe clean Ortliebs are better for this.
£112.98 delivered from sjs. I have pair of the small carradice carradrys which are the equivalents to the ortliebs and if you talking about wiping the inside clean then they are no better than the cotton duck.
I have products from Carradice, Ortlieb and Vaude, so no brand loyalty from me.  Neither am I one to critisise the way anyone spends their money, their choices will be based on criteria likely different to mine  But I can't imagine anyone who's cleaned muck out of the smooth plastic Ortliebs and the woven fabric Carradice would consider it comparable. 
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They will of course last a lifetime unlike the ortliebs.
The Ortiebs in the picture of my bike in another thread are 19 years old and show no signs that they won't outlast me. They've needed a couple of repairs as have my Carradice saddlebags.
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By the way how much are the ortilebs?
The comparable ones are probably the City Rollers, list price £85 a pair and usually findable around £70

I'm unlikely to ever buy shopping specific panniers, I'll just use what I have which was chosen for different purposes.  if I did I'd see no advantage in spending that sort of money, I'd be much more likely to go for something like the ex Royal Mail ones knocking about for around £20 a pair, though they need a bit of modification to fit most racks.
https://forcesuniformandkit.co.uk/products/ex-royal-mail-bike-pannier-bag-set-18

I spent a week in Amsterdam last month, where shopping by bike is considered far more normal than here in the UK.  Out of the many bikes I saw carrying shopping I doubt one of them had expensive panniers, indeed it was more common to see people carrying musical instruments
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4662/38707363580_435ac1bfde_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21YrmDA)Cello (https://flic.kr/p/21YrmDA) by Paul (https://www.flickr.com/photos/phbike/), on Flickr
 

Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 27, 2018, 11:51:22 pm
I have never had problem cleaning the inside of Carradice super c. A quick wipe over is all they need after removing 5 or more shot pheasants from each pannier. Now I will be able to get more in and the dog won't have to share her trailer with any. I sometimes think the temptation might get the better of her.
The royal mail ones look like a pile of shite. Why are they using a motorbike? Is that what they were attached to originally?

"The Ortiebs in the picture of my bike in another thread are 19 years old and show no signs that they won't outlast me." I have read many blogs where people have said their Ortielebs have worn out or are easily damaged specially after fall. As they are generally long distance tourer and may have used their panniers more than you.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: PH on February 28, 2018, 02:42:22 am
When I posted that the PVC material of an Ortlieb bag was easier to clean than the woven fabric of a Carradice, I had no idea it would be controversial, I thought I was stating the obvious, Carradice themselves say muddy stains need scrubbing with a nailbrush.  I was of course talking from the experience as a user of both, rather than relying on something I'd read.
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The royal mail ones look like a pile of shite
Beauty is in the eye of the holder, the quality shouldn't be in dispute they were made by Carradice! They're on a motorbike because that's what they were intended for, as I said they need some modification to fit most racks, but for £20... The bike version were a bit dearer (Though part of that was a charity donation) and appear to be sold out
https://www.carradice.co.uk/ranges/carradry/ex-post-office-panniers

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As they are generally long distance tourer and may have used their panniers more than you.
and they may not, you have absolutely no idea how much use my panniers have had.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: John Saxby on February 28, 2018, 11:14:48 am
Easy, guys, easy -- we're arguing about panniers and their suitability for shopping and/or durability?? There are differences and there are horses for courses, to be sure, and I haven't even mentioned my Arkels, built just after the war... (That would be 1812-14.)  ;)

But surely these are first-world problems, as I've seen bedframes carried on Flying Pigeons, fastened with old inner tubes tied to rear racks, with nary a quibble to be heard (one that I could readily understand, anyway), or a pannier in sight.

À chacun son goût, as they say in Cornwall.

Cheers,  John
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: Donerol on February 28, 2018, 12:36:46 pm
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4662/38707363580_435ac1bfde_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21YrmDA)Cello (https://flic.kr/p/21YrmDA) by Paul (https://www.flickr.com/photos/phbike/), on Flickr
 

That's not a cellos - it's a double bass!  At least it is in a case, unlike this one:
(https://img.memecdn.com/hipster-transport_o_1037396.jpg)

 :o
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 28, 2018, 11:36:22 pm
"I spent a week in Amsterdam last month, where shopping by bike is considered far more normal than here in the UK.  Out of the many bikes I saw carrying shopping I doubt one of them had expensive panniers, indeed it was more common to see people carrying musical instruments"
So in Amsterdam they are more likely to be transporting musical instruments by bike than shopping?
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on February 28, 2018, 11:44:26 pm
  "Neither am I one to critisise the way anyone spends their money,"
Seriously?
"£140 a pair, good grief, I'd want a lifetimes shopping delivered for that." and
"If I did I'd see no advantage in spending that sort of money,"
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: JimK on March 01, 2018, 02:22:58 am
I put my Shopper bag on my Nomad today and rode out to fetch some root beer - a dozen 12 oz bottles and then a big bag of coffee beans that had a good price. Maybe 15 pounds hanging off one side of the bike, so a significant imbalance. I like to ride no hands a bit out on the country roads, to stretch my shoulders and get the blood moving around. I found it pretty much as easy with the loaded Shopper as without. Bicycle dynamics is quite a mystery!

https://www.strava.com/activities/1430790383
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: Danneaux on March 01, 2018, 04:10:00 am
SD, PH; Gentlemen,

Time to take the tenor of your comments on luggage down a notch as they are coming close to personal attacks on each other rather than a discussion of panniers and their merits.

I'm not singling out one of you over the other, but I am cautioning both before things become more heated and show an "obvious disregard for the interests of the community... anti community spirit" in violation of the Forum Guidelines: http://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=26.0

Remember the old saying, "You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to".

Best,

Dan.

Thorn Cycling Forum Adminstrator
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: PH on March 01, 2018, 10:44:13 am
SD, PH; Gentlemen,

Time to take the tenor of your comments on luggage down a notch as they are coming close to personal attacks on each other rather than a discussion of panniers and their merits.
Best,

Dan.

Thorn Cycling Forum Adminstrator
Dan, I don't believe there is anything I have written that could be construed as a personal attack and am offended by your comment that it could. I suggest you withdraw it or show an example of anything that has not been on the subject or in any way breaches the forum guidelines.
Paul
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: jags on March 01, 2018, 11:09:15 am
that sounds like fighting talk to me paul  ;D ;D ;D
just joking  .

anto.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: macspud on March 01, 2018, 03:29:05 pm
"I spent a week in Amsterdam last month, where shopping by bike is considered far more normal than here in the UK.  Out of the many bikes I saw carrying shopping I doubt one of them had expensive panniers, indeed it was more common to see people carrying musical instruments"
So in Amsterdam they are more likely to be transporting musical instruments by bike than shopping?


Oh, I thought PH meant, "you are more likely to see people carrying musical instruments than using expensive panniers to carry shopping."  :)

"You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to", love it, class, as anto'd say. Lol. 

 
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: jags on March 01, 2018, 04:02:32 pm
 ;D ;D ;D could be worse  you could have no bread or milk and all the feckin shops are closed  because of this beast from the east.

anto.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on March 02, 2018, 10:33:03 am
;D ;D ;D could be worse  you could have no bread or milk and all the feckin shops are closed  because of this beast from the east.

anto.
Two chest freezers large one for me medium for the dog. Also an under counter one which you can't open if electric goes off. I use long life milk for tea and smoothies (I keep well stocked up) and the pasturised full fat milk from the milkman for coffee.....he has let me down! Alas no potatoes.
 anto you will never be a prepper!!
PS 50+ bottles of cider in the garage and neighbor just dropped off 2 kilos of potatoes. I am now ready for a minor ice age. Be prepared anto!!
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on March 02, 2018, 10:56:49 am
"I spent a week in Amsterdam last month, where shopping by bike is considered far more normal than here in the UK.  Out of the many bikes I saw carrying shopping I doubt one of them had expensive panniers, indeed it was more common to see people carrying musical instruments"
So in Amsterdam they are more likely to be transporting musical instruments by bike than shopping?


Oh, I thought PH meant, "you are more likely to see people carrying musical instruments than using expensive panniers to carry shopping."  :)

"You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to", love it, class, as anto'd say. Lol.
No she meant there were more people carrying musical instruments than shopping,  as she didn't think anyone used expensive panniers Or to be more precise that's what she wrote. Anyway I used a question mark.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on March 02, 2018, 11:07:37 am
It looks like parcel force has also let me down cant think why! For some reason sjs sent my astonishingly cheap Carradice shoppers 24 hour delivery. Two days late. Just checked there in Lincoln... getting closer!
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on March 02, 2018, 11:23:00 am
I put my Shopper bag on my Nomad today and rode out to fetch some root beer - a dozen 12 oz bottles and then a big bag of coffee beans that had a good price. Maybe 15 pounds hanging off one side of the bike, so a significant imbalance. I like to ride no hands a bit out on the country roads, to stretch my shoulders and get the blood moving around. I found it pretty much as easy with the loaded Shopper as without. Bicycle dynamics is quite a mystery!

https://www.strava.com/activities/1430790383
the same except for mounting and unmounting. I am thinking about a step through to deal with that. I find the front wheel goes up if I am heavily laden at the rear.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: jags on March 02, 2018, 12:00:04 pm
i never found it a problem front wheel lifting when i carry loaded rear panniers  ,
mind you i'd safely say the barbag is a big help keeping the front rubber on the tarmac.

i ordered speaker stands over a week ago on  amazon there still in the uk. feckin snow holds everything up.

anto.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: macspud on March 03, 2018, 01:16:19 am
"I spent a week in Amsterdam last month, where shopping by bike is considered far more normal than here in the UK.  Out of the many bikes I saw carrying shopping I doubt one of them had expensive panniers, indeed it was more common to see people carrying musical instruments"
So in Amsterdam they are more likely to be transporting musical instruments by bike than shopping?


Oh, I thought PH meant, "you are more likely to see people carrying musical instruments than using expensive panniers to carry shopping."  :)

"You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to", love it, class, as anto'd say. Lol.
No she meant there were more people carrying musical instruments than shopping,  as she didn't think anyone used expensive panniers Or to be more precise that's what she wrote. Anyway I used a question mark.

It was exactly because of your use of a question mark, that I wrote what I had comprehended - rightly or wrongly - from what he, PH, wrote.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: PH on March 03, 2018, 02:24:05 am
It was exactly because of your use of a question mark, that I wrote what I had comprehended - rightly or wrongly - from what he, PH, wrote.
Well rightly, I'm surprised anyone could misread that sentence.  Though being misunderstood is a minor problem compared to having my gender changed :o :o
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on March 04, 2018, 11:07:39 am
Would you believe it Parcel force Sunday delivery. Although the parcel is 4 days late!!
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: jags on March 04, 2018, 09:03:09 pm
as long as you got it ;)
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on March 15, 2018, 01:37:38 pm
The shoppers are nice square bags compared to my old one! Look quite tidy. New quick clips excellent. Surprised how comfortable they were as courier bags and using the handles is far more comfortable compared with the normal rear super c. Will miss the rear pocket and clip to attach an extra rear light. Hold lots of foraged firewood. Would make excellent tourer bags better than standard rear super c.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on March 15, 2018, 01:56:07 pm
Note the front pannier rack. This is a low loader my second hand front super c fit nicely and the bike when loaded feels very stable. But I may want to use my old super c rear panniers but they would be to low. Any one recommended a front rack/s that would take rear super c panniers? Preferably one that would take a stand as well.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: PH on March 15, 2018, 03:02:47 pm
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carriers-racks/black-surly-nice-20-cro-mo-front-rack/
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on March 15, 2018, 09:45:20 pm
Other than the Surly and Blackburn not much available for high bag front rack. Surly is mighty heavy, although I am definitely not weight weeny. I can't even work out how the Blackburn attaches. I can see the lower attachment point not the higher one. Also it is aluminum not keen on aluminium.
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: ebgt on March 19, 2018, 10:09:08 pm
Much appreciate all the suggestions folks. Good to know there are options out there. Will check everything out!  :)
Title: Re: Carradice Shopper
Post by: sd on April 01, 2018, 09:45:18 am
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carriers-racks/black-surly-nice-20-cro-mo-front-rack/
Got it (the Surly) fancied the Blackburn but looks like it uses the skewer to attach the rack. https://winstanleysbikes.co.uk/accessories/luggage/pannier-racks/surly-nice-rack-v2-front-pannier-rack
£98.99 a fair bit cheaper than sjs and tenner cheaper than anyone else. Looks identical to SJS version but use a different name. Pity about the weight. Will fit it to my Santos Travelmaster. Replace tyres with some nobby nics AND remove the dutch lock. Pity love dutch lock but in clay mud the back wheel locks solid. I assume the nobby nics will fit with mudgaurds on as big apples fit okay.