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Community => Non-Thorn Related => Topic started by: geocycle on December 21, 2014, 10:30:24 am

Title: Bells
Post by: geocycle on December 21, 2014, 10:30:24 am
An essential but overlooked bit of kit.  I make use of a £3 special but often think it looks tacky on a Thorn.  Lion bell works do a nice one but maybe a bit large http://www.lionbellworks.co.uk I've just seen this from the US http://www.spurcycle.com, not sure I'll pay $39 plus $20 postage but it would be good if there was something similar this side of the Atlantic. Any other contenders?
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: lewis noble on December 21, 2014, 12:01:05 pm
Looks nice, geo, but yes, pricey. I have a Lion bell, fits in middle of spacers on steer tube, set quite low down, but easy to find quickly without looking.

Lewis
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: energyman on December 21, 2014, 12:09:09 pm
I don't like "ding" bells.  I have a Lion but it is not as "friendly" as one I bought recently, a Dutch made one, for 3 GBP from my local bike shop which has the more traditional ring-ring.
I refuse to have one of those air horns which a friend has which scares the pants off pedestrians when fired !

Just found it on the SJS website. The Widek Bibia Chrome Plated Steel Crown Bell @ 4 GBP plus p&p.  It pays to shop locally !
Happy Christmas.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: geocycle on December 21, 2014, 03:05:38 pm
I don't like "ding" bells.  I have a Lion but it is not as "friendly" as one I bought recently, a Dutch made one, for 3 GBP from my local bike shop which has the more traditional ring-ring.
I refuse to have one of those air horns which a friend has which scares the pants off pedestrians when fired !

Just found it on the SJS website. The Widek Bibia Chrome Plated Steel Crown Bell @ 4 GBP plus p&p.  It pays to shop locally !
Happy Christmas.


Does the widek rattle? I think I had one that announced my presence automatically which drove me insane! I was probably unlucky.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: DAntrim on December 21, 2014, 04:29:47 pm
I like the Acor headset bell http://www.velovitality.co.uk/collections/bells/products/acor-aheadset-spacer-bell-black-or-silver (http://www.velovitality.co.uk/collections/bells/products/acor-aheadset-spacer-bell-black-or-silver), though if / when the Crane Sakura stem mounted bell is in stock will be picking one up, which is a similair lever action.

Carlos
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: geocycle on December 21, 2014, 04:57:21 pm
Good selection d'antrim, thanks!
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: John Saxby on December 21, 2014, 06:18:08 pm
I like this item from Velo Orange in the U.S., about USD 12 as I recall.  Nice prolonged temple-bell ring, and the brass makes a spiffy contrast with a matte black Raven.  Doesn't work so well in the rain, for some reason, but surely that's not an issue in UK & I? -- I seem to recall reading that rain was perception, not precip  :-)
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Andre Jute on December 21, 2014, 09:43:38 pm
Cateye, the lamp and bicycle computer maker, also makes a small, unobtrusive bell which fits on even the most crowded handlebars. I like it because it is easy to fit with all the controls for my Rolloff on one side and the electric motor on the other side. What makes it especially adaptable is that the lever swivels in the horizontal plane, the bell itself is mounted high on the strap, and the strap is narrow, so that you need to find only a little handlebar space, then you can raise the bell over some unused or non-critical part of something else, and move the lever to be under your thumb. (I don't see the point of having to move your hand off the handlebar to use the bell.)

(http://www.coolmainpress.com/miscimage/pedelec/211_on-off_-switch_n_monitor__thumb_throttle_fitted.jpg)

My alltime fave bell. like my altime fave no-tools adjustable stem, is however a proprietary Gazelle item, made by them for hub gear bikes. It is a bell that looks like a hub gear rotary control, to sit on the side opposite your hub gear rotary controller, and, as you can imagine, it is a very clean design, no clutter. Ultra-ergonomic and -intuitive.

(http://en.hollandbikeshop.com/images/664478.jpg)(http://en.hollandbikeshop.com/images/G02500.jpg)
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Danneaux on December 21, 2014, 11:20:42 pm
Andre,

That Gazelle bell looks remarkably like the Mirrycle Incredibell Gripbell:
https://www.mirrycle.com/gripbell.php
Forum member Il Pardone surely likes his: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=6173.msg36615#msg36615

I...have a bell collection. Really! See: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4118.msg18672#msg18672 There's a non-bell warning device on one of my bikes also: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=6173.msg37777#msg37777

All the best,

Dan.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Andre Jute on December 22, 2014, 04:34:35 am
I...have a bell collection.


Good heavens, Dan, you're the only fellow I know with a bell collection who actually has it mounted and displayed.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Danneaux on December 22, 2014, 04:46:08 am
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...you're the only fellow I know with a bell collection who actually has it mounted and displayed.
...and, disturbingly, has left room for future acquisitions and additions to the collection!

All the best,

Dan. (...who is ready to ring in the New Year)
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: geocycle on December 22, 2014, 01:55:00 pm
That grip shifter bell is very interesting - is that in your collection Dan?  Thanks also for pointing back to the earlier thread.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Danneaux on December 22, 2014, 04:56:17 pm
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That grip shifter bell is very interesting - is that in your collection Dan?
Hi Geo'!

No, it isn't in my collection yet, but it came awfully close to finding a place on my Thorn Accessory T-bar! I use drop handlebars, so have my Rohloff shifter is mounted on a T-bar above the stem...and my HB bag mount on another T-bar below the stem. Accessories are divided between the two. In the end, I went with a bell that contains an accurate, fluid-filled compass for general direction confirmation (thus saving the Garmin batteries for that mundane task). Unfortunately, it seems to have been influenced by *something* and isn't accurate in the same location that worked just fine on Sherpa. I need to look into this further, as just a centimeter or two can make all the difference in placement. If the deviation is caused by a magnetized fastener, I can use one of my degaussers to solve the problem.

I've been meaning to record the sound of the bells and put the video up on YouTube so others can hear samples before buying. This is critical with bells. Mirrycle include sound samples of their offerings as part of each description, here: https://www.mirrycle.com/ They've introduced several new models, among them one intended to mount to the stem cap, available as a spring model here: https://www.mirrycle.com/spring.php ...and a striker version, here: https://www.mirrycle.com/striker.php

If I had the room for it and didn't mind the weight, the largest dome bell in my collection would go on the bike for sure. It makes a loud, low, long tone nearly everyone can hear. Lesser bells present a common problem on the bike path: Their pitch is often too high to register with older people and with younger people, both of whom seem to have a higher incidence of hearing loss in that frequency. Partly because of this, I'm finding a "single-dinger" bell just isn't enough, and may switch to one with a rolling peal. The Chinese Spinning Bee Bell is good in this regard. It has dual domes that rotate past the clappers.

Those grip-shifter bells are surely interesting, and the ones I played with on the store display worked well. I found myself wishing for a more rubbery surface to grip if it were wet, but it might not be a problem in practice. For sure, if my Rohloff shifter was installed on straight 'bars, it would be joined by one of these on the opposite side.

All the best in your own bell quest,

Dan.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: jags on December 22, 2014, 05:45:21 pm
Dan i must send you over a bell and those buddy flaps never used them and i reckon i never will they might come in handy for some of your projects if you want them let me know but it will be a few months  ;)

anto
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Danneaux on December 22, 2014, 05:56:00 pm
PM'd!  ;D

All the best,

Dan.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: energyman on December 22, 2014, 08:24:29 pm

Does the widek rattle?

Nope - just rings sonorously (if such a word exists)

:)
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Relayer on January 18, 2017, 07:03:37 am
An essential but overlooked bit of kit.  I make use of a £3 special but often think it looks tacky on a Thorn.  Lion bell works do a nice one but maybe a bit large http://www.lionbellworks.co.uk I've just seen this from the US http://www.spurcycle.com, not sure I'll pay $39 plus $20 postage but it would be good if there was something similar this side of the Atlantic. Any other contenders?

Well, I think I'm now officially a bike nut!  I've just pulled the trigger on a Spurcycle bell from SJSC, can't wait!!   ;D

https://vimeo.com/72919661

Jim
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: richard s on January 18, 2017, 07:15:31 am
Looks nice, geo, but yes, pricey. I have a Lion bell, fits in middle of spacers on steer tube, set quite low down, but easy to find quickly without looking.

Lewis

I have the same bell and fitting arrangement. Looks very good and makes  a lovely and sustained note.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: ají on January 18, 2017, 10:07:16 am
ere's my next bell
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: onrbikes on January 19, 2017, 04:31:53 am
We bought a couple of steel ones and got them painted while in Bangladesh
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Javier on January 19, 2017, 11:08:57 am
In some countries a bell is mandatory, otherwise, you would be better learning to whistle, it is loud, reliable, fast, always handy, inconspicuous on the handle bar, weightless, cannot be stolen, last a lifetime and a long-established flirting tool  ;)
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: jags on January 19, 2017, 11:20:44 am
i remember back in the early 80's i done dublin to belfast  maracycle as it was called then,  a cop stopped us  in the north of ireland  trying to take our names because we had no bells we just rode off he was a total idiot jobsworth .
mind you  bike shops have to supply a bell when they sell new bikes
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Mike Ayling on January 19, 2017, 09:51:21 pm
ere's my next bell

The Airzound is a good bit of kit too!

Mike
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: ají on January 20, 2017, 08:05:01 am
thanks Mike i didnt know about airzound!
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Matt2matt2002 on January 20, 2017, 02:51:02 pm
I'm a bell man myself but realised that in Kyrgyzstan folk just don't realise it's a warning.
Once I knew the score my BP dropped.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: sweats on January 20, 2017, 05:49:06 pm
I can vouch for this little beauty:-
https://www.rosebikes.com/article/xtreme-free-tony-xs-bell/aid:355988
The brass finish dulls down very nicely with a bit of scotch brite and looks very classy despite being reasonable priced. It has a great sustained ring. It won't fit on oversized bars though and shipping is now a bit pricy.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: John Saxby on January 21, 2017, 03:04:42 am
Nice piece of kit, sweats. 

This is what I use:  http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/bells/brass-temple-bell.html  It's on the left side of my Thorn acc bar, opposite my Rohloff shifter, underneath the handlebars.  No trouble finding it, though -- it's just below my left hand, easily reachable with my thumb.

None of the bells I have works very well in the rain; the VO item is no better or worse than the others in that respect.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: jul on January 22, 2017, 06:37:36 pm
Do you have an idea where can i find this bell ?

(https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/19/07/93/69/th/66447810.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19079369/173)
(https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/19/07/93/69/th/g0250010.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19079369/174)
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Danneaux on January 22, 2017, 06:43:07 pm
Yes:
https://www.amazon.com/Mirrycle-Incredibell-Grip-Bicycle-Brass/dp/B001SMOYJW

Best,

Dan.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: jul on January 22, 2017, 11:02:01 pm
Thanks Dan,
The bell is not exactly the same.
I found it in Europe here  http://www.singlespeedshop.com/Single-Speed---Fixed-Gear/Bells/Mirrycle-Incredibell-Grip-Bell.html

So with the shipment to France, the bell cost me 24 euros, a bit expensive for a bell i think   ::)
and as well i've a doubt about the sound quality ..
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: bobs on January 22, 2017, 11:09:02 pm
The problem with bells is the people who walk their dogs with earphones in. Despite ringing the bell they get a surprise when you pass them and think it's your fault.


Bob
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: bobs on January 22, 2017, 11:12:16 pm
http://www.cyclorise.com/store/c2/Timber%21_MTB_Bell.html

Would buy this bell if I could justify spending the money.

Bob
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: jul on January 22, 2017, 11:18:37 pm
http://www.cyclorise.com/store/c2/Timber%21_MTB_Bell.html

Would buy this bell if I could justify spending the money.

Bob

Great Bob !   8)
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: rualexander on January 22, 2017, 11:33:34 pm
Knog Oi looks like a nice redesign of the bike bell.
https://euro.knog.com.au/oi-bike-bell-large.html
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: jags on January 22, 2017, 11:39:40 pm
Knog Oi looks like a nice redesign of the bike bell.
https://euro.knog.com.au/oi-bike-bell-large.html

now this i like very neat design. 8)
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: Danneaux on January 22, 2017, 11:56:44 pm
I bought a knockoff from eBay just before Christmas. It took s month to arrive.

The tone was delicious and sustained -- a match for the Oi! Recording.

The problem? Unlike the Knog Oi!, the clamp would only fit a 22.2mm diameter and had a web molded over the portion the Oi! Uses to route cables. It sat in the cold (-11°C) garage and cracked when I tried to expand it. Not entirely surprising.

I think if I had left it alone or unsocketed the quill stem I was trying to fit it to, all would have been fine. Cost: USD $1.28 including shipping, little enough to give a try.

I my have another go, this time using my Dremel to remove the web from the clamp and work on it inside the house, where it is warmer.

Best,

Dan.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: John Saxby on January 23, 2017, 12:55:56 am
Thinking to buy a Knog Oi when I'm Down Unda -- I have enough bells of one kind or another, but this looks like a tidy effort.  It would go with the Knog Loight I now have on the boike.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: jul on January 28, 2017, 11:41:22 pm
Today i've installed this bell on my Nomad. Small, discreet, cheap, and works well. The sound is rather high,  this is what i was looking for..

https://www.decathlon.fr/sonnette-velo-300-noir-id_8177653.html?LGWCODE=1359527;11737;809&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_term=SONNETTE%20VELO%20300%20NOIR&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ecommerce_shopbot&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=.&utm_campaign=PLA-All&utm_content=sHIvtHu70_dc|pcrid||pkw||pmt||pid|1359527

(https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/19/07/93/69/th/p1110525.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19079369/176)
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: IanW on January 30, 2017, 06:53:44 pm
Today i've installed this bell on my Nomad. Small, discreet, cheap, and works well. The sound is rather high,  this is what i was looking for..

Snap! See: http://www.decathlon.co.uk/C-880494-bike-bells-and-horns (http://www.decathlon.co.uk/C-880494-bike-bells-and-horns) and specifically http://www.decathlon.co.uk/300-bike-bell-id_8177653.html (http://www.decathlon.co.uk/300-bike-bell-id_8177653.html)

I also like the single tone but twin ring bell mechanism.
I.e. it rings once on trigger press and a second time on trigger release, whose interval is therefore also under my control.
Some times the first ring only serves the purpose of waking the person's brain up to then hear the second and only then comprehend that there is a cyclist in their vicinity.
If someone reacts well to the first "ting" then I can save the second "ting" as a thankyou after I have passed them.
Title: Re: Bells
Post by: jul on January 30, 2017, 07:44:48 pm
Today i've installed this bell on my Nomad. Small, discreet, cheap, and works well. The sound is rather high,  this is what i was looking for..

Snap! See: http://www.decathlon.co.uk/C-880494-bike-bells-and-horns (http://www.decathlon.co.uk/C-880494-bike-bells-and-horns) and specifically http://www.decathlon.co.uk/300-bike-bell-id_8177653.html (http://www.decathlon.co.uk/300-bike-bell-id_8177653.html)

I also like the single tone but twin ring bell mechanism.
I.e. it rings once on trigger press and a second time on trigger release, whose interval is therefore also under my control.
Some times the first ring only serves the purpose of waking the person's brain up to then hear the second and only then comprehend that there is a cyclist in their vicinity.
If someone reacts well to the first "ting" then I can save the second "ting" as a thankyou after I have passed them.

 :D