Thorn Cycles Forum
Technical => Lighting and Electronics => Topic started by: phopwood on November 09, 2012, 07:53:46 PM
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Today my new shimano 3N72 hub and BM Lumotec IQ T senso plus arrived, fitted them this evening after work and just been out for a quick 5 miles on unlite country roads All I can say is wow, it is amazing I was not expecting it to be so good. I know this is not a real test, but I thought I would share. I still had my LED helmet light on as I like the way it always point where I am looking.
All the best.
Peter
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Oh, what great news, Peter; I think you'll be very happy with the combination!
Good idea, keeping the LED helmet-mounted light. Since it "looks" where the rider does, I've found mine to sometimes very helpful in catching the eyes of drivers who would otherwise have crossed or turned right in front of me at nighttime intersections. A quick glance on my part (attracted by their movement) and they're automatically warned. It's saved me more than once! Nice for checking the bike computer readings as well.
Happy riding; good to know you'll be visible, safe, and actually able to see your way so well.
Best,
Dan.
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Peter did you say where you bought it and how much ;)
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Jags
I got it from www.bike-discount.de
£82.81 for the v brake wheel with a mavic rim and dynamo hub, complete with rim tape and quick release.
£50.15 for the light comes with wire for the rear light.
£10.00 for a top light rear light.
Took less than an hour to fit the wheel and light, I had to reseat my brake blocks as the new rim was a little thinner the the old one.
Fiver for delivery, took about a week but I was not expecting express for that price.
All the best.
Peter
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Excellent Peter thanks for that think i'll stick it on my wish list
cheers peter glad it worked out for you so are you planning a night ride. ;)
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Jags
I got it from www.bike-discount.de
£82.81 for the v brake wheel with a mavic rim and dynamo hub, complete with rim tape and quick release.
£50.15 for the light comes with wire for the rear light.
£10.00 for a top light rear light.
Did they build the wheel for you or did you have to do this yourself/arrange this yourself?
The pricing for the front light seems high compared to http://starbike.com or http://bike24.net or is it just that I am used to paying ex-VAT prices? :)
Andrew
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Hi,
The wheel was built and delivered ready to go, the price of the light is a little higher. I did consider buying from different locations to get the best prices but the added delivery equals it all out in the end. But I am very happy.
Peter
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The wheel was built and delivered ready to go, the price of the light is a little higher. I did consider buying from different locations to get the best prices but the added delivery equals it all out in the end. But I am very happy.
Thanks. Understand what you mean about the delivery. There pricing seems pretty good and for me their postage isn't to bad either. Will add them to my list of online retailers. Thanks.
Andrew
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Peter i can't find that wheel on the site :-[
don't suppose you have a link to it thanks.
jags.
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I think this is what you're looking for Jags: http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/misearch.html?serchform=directsend&query=shimano+3N72+hub&x=8&y=9
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I think this is what you're looking for Jags: http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/misearch.html?serchform=directsend&query=shimano+3N72+hub&x=8&y=9
ah just came up a blank page ::)
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They have some on this page, Jags, but the price is a bit higher:
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/misearch.html?serchform=directsend&query=3n72&x=0&y=0
Or go direct:
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k733/a71609/vorderrad-26-dynamo-dh-3n72-v-brake-xm317-32l.html
Andre Jute
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Crikey, my Shogun Metro commuter/roadster runs a B&M S6 dynamo. That whole wheel and dynohub is not that much more than what I paid just for the S6 :o
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They have some on this page, Jags, but the price is a bit higher:
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/misearch.html?serchform=directsend&query=3n72&x=0&y=0
Or go direct:
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k733/a71609/vorderrad-26-dynamo-dh-3n72-v-brake-xm317-32l.html
Andre Jute
Andre thanks for that ,sorry for being a pain in the ass but when i try to register it in german :-[i pressed the reserve button so with a bit of luck ,tat wheel will be mine next week when i get the dosh. ;)
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New B&M IQ Luxos headlight is listed at bike24 (http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=1;product=38291;page=1;menu=1000,5,66;mid=0;pgc=0). "Delivery unknown". It was supposed to be due for release in December, wonder what the schedule is looking like 'cos I'd love to grab one of these to kit out a new light set for the Nomad ;D
(http://www.bike24.com/i/p/1/9/38291_00_d.jpg)
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New B&M IQ Luxos headlight is listed at bike24 (http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=1;product=38291;page=1;menu=1000,5,66;mid=0;pgc=0). "Delivery unknown". It was supposed to be due for release in December, wonder what the schedule is looking like 'cos I'd love to grab one of these to kit out a new light set for the Nomad ;D
Http://starbike.com will email you when they come in if you give them your email address ... :)
Andrew
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Andre thanks for that ,sorry for being a pain in the ass but when i try to register it in german :-[i pressed the reserve button so with a bit of luck ,tat wheel will be mine next week when i get the dosh. ;)
Jags,
On the top right hand side of the main page you will see a flag, click on it and you can set you language and preferred currency. You will not be disappointed if you get one.
All the best.
Peter
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Andre thanks for that ,sorry for being a pain in the ass but when i try to register it in german :-[i pressed the reserve button so with a bit of luck ,tat wheel will be mine next week when i get the dosh. ;)
Is this still for your Raleigh with the 622 wheel, Jags? The wheel on that page is 26in, 559. (I was just showing you the wheel Peter bought, not suggesting a wheel for you to splash out on...)
The 622mm/28in wheel with that dynamo is here:
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k637/a71603/front-wheel-28-dynamo-dh-3n72-v-brake-a319.html
You might have to ask the seller to "confirm" what size wheel you're getting...
Also, if you're already irritating a shopkeeper by changing an order, remember he doesn't know which wheel you really intended to order. Some of the other wheels on this page are attractive for the same price, notably the Alfine hub dynamo wheels with disc/rim brake capability, though I see the disc is centre lock, not six bolt.
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k637/trekking-front-wheels.html
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If you're not ordering a lamp at the same time, and don't have a suitable lamp, I have a BUMM halogen lamp that you can have. It isn't fabulous but it's free, and when you finish with it you can chuck it or give it to someone else. If you want it, send a street address to andrejute at coolmainpress with a dot and com.
Andre Jute
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Thanks Andre yeah i'm going to use it on the sherpa 559 i will use my new battery lights on the raleigh .
i seen the cateye light HL-EL540rc ,i bought on that site for a hell of a lot less than i paid ::)
Andre if i manage to get that wheel i'll let you know about your kind offer fair play to you . ;)
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Do i need to register on that site before i can place an order.every time i try it changes to german text :-[
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Do i need to register on that site before i can place an order.every time i try it changes to german text :-[
It seems likely that they want to keep the order in German for their own protection. Go to http://translate.google.com/#de/en/ and paste the URL of the bike shop's page on which you want to buy the wheel into the big block on the left, then above that in the middle, if necessary, click "Translate". Then just proceed with the order as normal. You can also German text and paste it into the block to have it translated.
Andre Jute
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Thanks Andre seems the wheel wont be available until 16th :o
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Friday'll be here before you know it, jags. Also, keep checking and hit the "Refresh" button on your browser each time. Sometimes, these things arrive sooner than expected.
Hoping time passes a little quicker than usual for you,
Dan.
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Thanks Dan sure hope i get it this time i've been trying all year to get a decent dynamo wheel and this looks like the one (thanks to peter) ;)
as long as my wee honey hasen't a change of heart. ;D
she's paying for it.
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Christmas comes early....
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Oh the fun of waiting for the post man. I am glad you ordered one, what light have you got?
All the best.
Peter
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Peter still in the process of ordering, first port of call is get the Wife sweet do as much crawling as i possible can she holds the credit card ::) soif i fail in that task then it's no wheel for jags :'(
i'm also hoping the postage is not to expensive to ireland..
as far as the headlight goes i'm in no hurry i had planned on getting this
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k1004/a36853/lumotec-iq-cyo-rt-senso-plus.html?mfid=445
but i might just hold out for that new light there bringing out supposed to be the dogs. ;)
if i get the wheel i will be giving Andre a shout i think he might have a light for me to tide me over.
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Peter still in the process of ordering, first port of call is get the Wife sweet do as much crawling as i possible can she holds the credit card ::) soif i fail in that task then it's no wheel for jags :'(
i'm also hoping the postage is not to expensive to ireland..
as far as the headlight goes i'm in no hurry i had planned on getting this
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k1004/a36853/lumotec-iq-cyo-rt-senso-plus.html?mfid=445
but i might just hold out for that new light there bringing out supposed to be the dogs. ;)
if i get the wheel i will be giving Andre a shout i think he might have a light for me to tide me over.
Jags,
Have you considered the Axa Nano Plus light? Mine is excellent and it has a usb port for charging stuff during the day.
Or if you don't need the usb port they do a cheaper version, the Axa Nano.
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k1004/front-lights.html?lg=en&country=226&cr=EUR#
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k1004/a70820/nano-50-steady-auto-led-front-light.html
I bought mine from the same place, came in a couple of days.
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Cheers Rual cant afford both i'm afraid not just yet anyway.
what's that light like for lighting up the road how would you rate it.
you know it's amazing i've been trying to sell two sets of perfectly good road wheels for the last two months, and all i can get is guys willing to offer me half the asking price.
the wheels i'm trying to sell come with tires tubes and cassette ???
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ah the wait for this wheel is cracking me up i check the site every day still no good news, end of january .
well i can't at the moment afford to get the headlight but does it usually come with enough cable to also do a rear light or do i need to order the cable seperate what else would i need to get to get the job done to perfection. ;)
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jags,
I can't speak with authority on the Shimano, but my Schmidt dynohubs have always come through without any cables at all...just a tiny plastic sack with several spade connectors and a couple short lengths of heat-shrink tubing.
In my experience, it is the lights that are supplied with leads/cables. A headlight may or may not come with taillight wiring; it seems the makers either package the needed wire with the lights...or expect you to get it on your own. I usually do the latter, using Peter White as a source. It is really disheartening to find you have cut something just short and will have to wait 10-14 days and incur more postage costs to make it right again with a fresh order. Better to order a bit more than you think you'll need the first go-'round.
B&M and Schmidt offer either zip-wire (two-conductor cord that can be pulled apart) or coaxial (two conductors in one sheath, one usually shielded inside the other. I've found zip-wire makes the most discrete installation (especially if glued inside a mudguard lip), while coaxial is inherently more durable, though larger and harder to hide. Don't forget to crimp and solder the connectors, and make little hoods and strain-reliefs for them out of heat-shrink tubing. I always pump mine full of high-dialectric silicone grease to keep the connections well shielded from water and playa dust.
Hope this helps.
Best,
Dan. (...who thinks Tom Petty was right: The waiting is the hardest part)
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Dan are you saying you can buy as much of the cable as you like so if i were to buy 5or6 yds of it i should be safe enough ;)ok next stupid question where can i get it on this side of the pond. ::)
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Consumer electronics stores should stock most of the sort of dual-core cable used for bicycle lights.
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Good idea by Pete and I'll bet Andre will have a Euro source for the B&M/Schmidt for you, jags. A for length, I can't imagine needing more than 6.6ft/2m to reach the taillight. Figure on a bit more in case of a mistake. The headlight should come with sufficient wire to reach the front dropout and then some.
All the best,
Dan.
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The front light I'm sending you, currently lying on my desk as a reminder to find the spare bubs for it, is a BUMM Lumotec Oval Senso Plus* and has wiring permanently attached to the lamp at one end, and spades for a SON at the other end. You'll have to cut off the spades to use the lamp with the Shimano hub. Also on the lamp are two pairs of connectors for spades, one to provide juice to the rear light, the other set presumably to use with the dynamo hub if you don't want the fixed wire and cut it off. Or one may be to a second lamp, because this Lumotec Oval was the one that could be used in double hub dynamo setups, see Marten Gerritsen's M-Engineering site pages in The Netherlands.
The knob under the lamp slides to open it for changing the bulb. Be careful, the bulb is held in only by springloaded pressure.
Make sure you get a Shimano Hub Dynamo Connector with your dynamo wheel or you can run up unconscionable postage to get this one-quid piece of grey plastic. You screw the wires into the connector and then you plug the connector into the socket on the hub.
You don't need to get special cable to wire up lights. Any old zipcord will carry that little current. Special bicycle lamp "cable" -- special anything "cable", including crap sold as "audiophile" -- comes off the same roll as cheap wire called "wire". The stuff BUMM sells, and Peter White, is especailly nasty and cheap, except that it's overpriced because it comes from BUMM. Look around your kitchen cabinets and your garage and you'll find plenty of suitable wire you can cut off (don't cut it off your wife's hairdryer!), or your local electrical shop will cut you some off a roll of twin-core. Note that, twin-core: you need two wires, not one as in the usual cheap and nasty British installation which uses the bike frame for an uncertain return. It might have been worth buying the BUMM wiring kit if it were complete, but in their usual pennypinching style it is terminated only one end, so you have the same bother of finding bits, so you may as well pay a quarter as much for the same wire locally and cut out the waiting.
If you need to buy spade fittings for the rear lamp, take the lamp to your local motor factor and don't leave with anything in a sealed packet that he won't open to show you they fit. Those spades aren't one of the more common sizes...
*BUMM means it's a light for bikesnobs. Lumotec means it's halogen. Oval means it has a reflector built in. Senso means it is light sensitive and switches on and off automatically (this is the one lamp on which it is a useful facility, because the MTBF of the bulbs is only 100 hours, so you don't want to keep the light on during daylight hours -- I don't know if the 100 hours is a CYA or true, because I've never had a globe failure, though some of my bike lamps have done many times a 100 hours of service). Plus means it has a built-in current store and stays on for four minutes after your bike stope, a safety measure called a standlight, in my opinion an esssential facility, most reassuring.
Andre Jute