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Community => Thorn General => Topic started by: jags on November 13, 2016, 10:19:35 PM
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whats sjs favorite mudguards ,
i'm looking at sks bluemels black .any thoughts.
jags.
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SKS range of mudguards is pretty confusing, but I think I have these 'longboard' ones on my mk3
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/mudguards/sks-longboard-mudguard-set-700c-x-35mm-black/
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Thanks Rual look good there actually cheaper on CRC 33 euro .thanks for reply .im aay to me bed i'm knackered :-\
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SKS Chromoplastics are a classic and seem to last for ages. Tough and durable - perfect for touring.
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/mudguards/26-x-55-sks-chromoplastic-mudguard-set-26-silver/
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Jags, these are well worth a look, I think: I'd seriously consider installing them if I moved to 26 x 1.75 tires on my Raven. My OK comes from a set-in-stone alloy guy [so to speak ;) ]
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thanks lads i actually have a pair of them hanging in the shed silver gone dull so im not putting them on the new baby.besides the stays are to short.
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Anto,
There's Krylon Fusion paint that bonds with plastics. It does require 7 day's cure time to become chip-resistant, but can do a remarkable job in the short term for only USD$4.50 or so. Much less expensive than new fenders to get you by.
http://www.krylon.com/products/fusion-for-plastic/
If the old fenders had been mounted to your old Raleigh, the stays might fit your Thorn Audax because the mounts are at mid-fork and so shorter stays can be used.
Best,
Dan.
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don't think i'd get that here Dan if i asked my son in america to bring some home at christmas he would freak out,just in case it imploded on the plane ;D ;D
good idea tho.
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Great Dan! This looks like a great solution to prolong my ailing mudguards, and a chance to move towards a stealth look with matt black!
Its pretty expensive in comparison in the UK and apparently been banned from the EU now because of its chemical ingredients. So difficult to find this side of the pond.
Any alternative products you know about?
Regards
Richard
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carbon wrap maybe ;)
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Richard asked...
Any alternative products you know about?
..and Anto opined... carbon wrap maybe
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Real close. If you go to a sigh shop with plotter-cup rolls of adhesive vinyl, they'll often sell you ends and cutoffs for pennies...sometimes give them away.
It is not too difficult to pull the vinyl over mudguards, especially if you place the vinyl sticky side up and then sort of roll the fender's centerline onto it. A heat gun or hair dryer set on the hot setting will take care of any small bubbles. I've done it with success in the past. The finish is a sort of matte to satin in gloss. This sort of vinyl is very durable and is often used as a "wrap" for advertising on buses and taxis. It typically lasts a couple years in such service which includes numerous trips through automatic car washes.
I've made my own fenders (mudguards) for my small-wheel Folder by casting them from ABS resin in molds I made. I've also made some out of aluminum strip sheet stock using my auto body hammers and dollies. *That* is a lot of work; in comparison, the wraps go pretty quickly and easily.
You can also shoot mudguards with Dupont Imron with an added plasticizer (Dupont Flexprime) to aid flexibility, but this takes some specialize equipment and is easier to get wrong. Makes it possible to match a frame color, though.
One more data point for Anto: If you really prefer a true black plastic mudguard blade, you'll likely come closest with one of Planet Bike's models, which are made of remarkably durable polycarbonate. In comparison, my SKS black 'guards look "black" in most lighting, but are a sort of goldeny dark brown in direct sunlight, thanks to the plastic formulation over the aluminum core. Planet Bike is real good about selling spares that also fit other brands. I bought their polished stainless drawbolts and 10mm nylock hex nuts to replace all my SKS 8mm hardware. Works great and never loosens.
All the best,
Dan.
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planet bike mudguards i can't find a link for them here ,not surprising i'm still useless on computers. :o
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Here ya go, Anto...scroll on down the page till you get to 700C - Narrow or 700C - Medium/Wide:
http://ecom1.planetbike.com/fenders.html
The really narrow ones go "up to" 25mm in tire width: http://ecom1.planetbike.com/7058_5.html
The hybrid models go up to 35mm tires: http://ecom1.planetbike.com/7056_5.html
Best,
Dan.
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I'll vouch for PB fenders, jags -- they're well-made, inexpensive, and work well. My city bike, a Norco hybrid, has 700c wheels and I've fitted PB Cascadia's, I think they're called.
But look, the PB quality plastic items cost USD 40, and for a bit more, you can get a set of these, which (trust me on this) look the business: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-45mm-hammered-polished-fenders-700c.html (http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-45mm-hammered-polished-fenders-700c.html) I use these on my Eclipse light-touring bike, which has 35 mm Marathon Racers (actual width, inflated is 32 mm). I switched away from the PB which I used to have on it, and which were OK, but I'm an alloy guy, and, well....
VO offers these in both 35mm and 45mm widths for 700c tires. The fenders mudguards are quite long, both fore and aft, and they give very good coverage in the rain, better than the PBs in my limited experience.
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cheers lads ,
john i did look at those VO fenders i would go for the black if i were buying but they would cost me to much money by the time i got them here.
,the fenders will be the last thing i'll buy for the frame ,i just need to know whats out there besides sks not that theres anything wrong with sks but a choice is always good.
thanks again lads much appreciated.
anto.
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cheers lads ,
john i did look at those VO fenders i would go for the black if i were buying but they would cost me to much money by the time i got them here.
anto.
Anto, you can get these in the UK at a good price, OK they're dearer than SKS but they look amazing and strong, see ...
http://freshtripe.co.uk/accessories/mudguards/mudguard/700c/
Jim
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Cheers Jim yip they look great right enough i would want black tho.thanks for the link Jim .
anto.
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i would want black tho
Same item here in black anodized alloy, Anto, this one in 35 mm width:
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-hammered-fenders-700c-x-35mm-v2-blk.html (http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-hammered-fenders-700c-x-35mm-v2-blk.html)
I should declare here, that I have no financial interest in VO, although their prices keep getting more expensive day by day, as our Cdn $ goes through the floor :( My bikes are rolling adverts for their stuff, though--fenders, rims, rando 'bars, etc.--all of which I bought well before the US election.
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i got a great 40 miles in this morning on the Dolan the roads were in bit's covered in muck i was just thinking to meself what mudguards for the new baby ;)
but £50 for mudguards wow i don't know ,if i was flush with money yeah i'd buy them in a snap but i havent the cross of christ thats the truth. ???
only chance i have of getting this frame built up is that wonderful man SANTA ,but i'm not holding my breath on that one either ;D
i bought the long reach tiagra calipers the other day that cleaned me out,if i get a few days with my son (painting) it will pay for chainset front and rear mechs .
sure i'll take things as they come no panic just yet.
anto.
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Cheers Jim yip they look great right enough i would want black tho.thanks for the link Jim .
anto.
Anto
If you look at the options on the 35mm hammered 'guards on that link there are black ones there. I also thought/hoped the falling pound might have made these a wee bit more affordable for you.
Good luck with the build, you'll get there in the end. ;)
Jim
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yes jim found them ok there class right enough but will have to wait until funds are back up.
cheers buddy at least i have the link to them now.
anto.
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Here's another option jags, https://www.radialcycles.co.uk/cycling-accessories/mudguards/radial-avert-pro-mudguards-1.html
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Cheers Rual, yeah they look nifty and only quarter the price as the VO.
i'm at a complete standstill with this frame ,got to wait until Christmas and see what Santa brings. :'(
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Mudguards are for wimps. There is nothing more manly (or womanly) that arriving at your destination with a line of cr*p up your back and a load of similar on your face.
I'm a wimp !
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coming home like that this 40 years ;D ;D.
i don't use mudguards on my road bike ,most of the local club riders use the new ass saver so they must work.
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I periodically try going without mudguards on some of my more sporting bikes and always end up fitting them even in summer. Here in Oregon's Willamette Valley, the farmers use water cannons and "walking irrigators" to irrigate their grass fields. The runoff causes light flooding of the farm roads and a rider just gets soaked from the spray. Winter is not too different from Anto's Ireland with a good amount of rain (at least until the last several years, when out weather patterns seem to have changed).
I also get tired of the increased maintenance required when riding 'guardless. I fit large mudflaps to my front 'guards so the crankset is completely out of the spray zone. Reduces chain oiling intervals to near Rohloff levels and the amount of road glop caught by the flaps is hard to imagine till you see it. Vive le mudguards! Vive le mudflaps!
Mudguards are for wimps. There is nothing more manly (or womanly) that arriving at your destination with a line of cr*p up your back and a load of similar on your face.
I'm a wimp !
So...yeah. Wimp Dan here as well!
Anto on his 'guardless road bike is a brave man!
All the best,
Dan.
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Dan i know you don't do big group rides but it can be fun at times. you get to know the wheel suckers in the group and believe me they are plenty. but the cure for these boys is to pick the worst line you can like muck pot holes the wettest part of the road ,i know that sounds nasty but it's great way to get your own back on these lazy sods ;D ;D
they end the spin covered in s..t ,serves them right ;)
anto.
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Dan i know you don't do big group rides...
Yeah, I don't prefer groups so much. I think it comes from the years of leading tour groups professionally. If I'm going to go with a group I a) want to be leading it and b) get paid for it.
...the cure for these boys is to pick the worst line you can like muck pot holes the wettest part of the road...they end the spin covered in s..t ,serves them right
Oh, the things I've seen in touring groups. Mind you, I've been sore tempted to employ such methods but in the end, I was content when all returned safely.i know that sounds nasty but it's great way to get your own back on these lazy sods
This is a big difference compared to randonneurs, who all fit full-coverage mudguards and extra-long rear mudflaps so they don't spray those following. They tend to take turns pulling at the front, too. See:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7339/11447133984_5108f36850_b.jpg
http://www.buddyflaps.com/
http://www.phred.org/~alex/bikes/fendermudflap.html
A pair of BuddyFlaps would be a nice addition to your new Audax fenders. Available with bling, too!
http://www.buddyflaps.com/fancy.htm
http://www.buddyflaps.com/custom2.htm
All the best,
Dan.
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Dan i remember u sending me buddy flaps but for the life of me i could not tell you were there gone total mystery.ah the full mudguards will do me fine ,i will more than likely buy sks when i'm flush i'll get VO mudguards or even one of the better type the lads recommended.
got to get this baby looking good 8)
anto.
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Dan i remember u sending me buddy flaps but for the life of me i could not tell you were there gone total mystery
I know! I know! They're "Somewhere"! ;)
(the same place all my stuff hides when I want to find it...especially on short notice) ;D
All the best,
Dan.
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Anto
There is nothing wrong with SKS mudguards, they do their job well and are good value for money.
Bob
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Anto,
If you fit SKS mudguards and they look ok ,leave well alone. Maybe you are good at fitting them but it drives me bonkers trying to get a neat finish when fitting them.
Alfie 8)
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i could get the gap right no problem with the sks but for some reason they always looks twisted and could never get the centered ,ah there the last thing on my wish list to be honest but when i do buy i want them looking well. ;)
anto.
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Hello,
Of course (blowing my own trumpet) I am the hero of mudguard fitting. Simply the best (ask Dan!).
Regards,
John
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I have been using cut up old rubber boots for flaps since I was 14. I think that one is still on my dad's antique Rudge. My custom Roadster has them also. You can cut them so that the molded shape blends into the fender shape. I cut DIY stainless brackets for the fenders and put the flap inbetween. You can hang them farther down, since they are flexible for when the wheel rides off a high curb. If necessary I wrapped a stiff wire around the flap half way down to retain shape in the wind. The fenders are also likely 30 years old SS, I found at the used bike co-op. WAY better than the tinfoil VO ones I had for 2 years.
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To be honest i don't really need mudguards sure it never rain in Ireland only reason i want them is if i ever decide to pop over the UK for a week's cycling ;)
anto.
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Never rains in Edinburgh. 8)
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i believe u Alfie ;D ;D ;D
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cut up old rubber boots for flaps
Sounds like a trick worth trying, gambler, thanks!
I've found these work well on my city bike:
http://www.dutchbikebits.com/mudguards-chainguards-fenders-coatprotectors/mud-flaps/bibia-touring-mudflap (http://www.dutchbikebits.com/mudguards-chainguards-fenders-coatprotectors/mud-flaps/bibia-touring-mudflap)
I'll use one on the front fender of my Raven when my current leather item expires. The fixing tab is handy - I've found that it works, despite my initial doubts, and it allows easy removal and remounting.
I've found my VO fenders (on two bikes) to be very sturdy, no problems at all with them.
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never found i needed mudflaps the full mudguard always done the trick. ::)
anto