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Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
il padrone:
I have been using the Pletscher Multizoom for ten years now on the Thorn Nomad Mk2. I broke one once (heavily loaded bike on an outback tour) in 2012, but know a bit more about how to care for it in use. Current one is 8 years old and supports the fully loaded bike very nicely.
Richemm:
I bought one of these. On the plus side it is a lovely piece of engineering all the holes in the right place. It's expensive but I can understand that. It's pretty specialised and there can't be too many takers. And yet I am totally baffled how it actually fits in with a rear rack and mudguards without the whole lot being thrown off centre. It would be interesting to see what you have done on the other side of the hub after fitting the adapter. It basically is a ca. 15mm spacer with the hole to fix the rack in moved a bit to the south east. That is enough to put the whole rack at an angle. Unless, unless we are supposed to but one for each side? Am I missing something or is this not really worth the time or the money.
Yes I've read all the recommendations about not fitting kickstands to Thorn bikes but where I live a kicks stand on a bike is de rigueur. All the bikes at in the cycle store at work are lined up supported by their kick stands. If you have to take up wall space for your bike you are something of a social pariah ;).
mickeg:
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And yet I am totally baffled how it actually fits in with a rear rack and mudguards without the whole lot being thrown off centre. It would be interesting to see what you have done on the other side of the hub after fitting the adapter.
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I am not exactly clear on what you have and what the problem is. But I am guessing that you bought this:
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/thorn-dropout-adaptor-with-kickstand-mount-18-mm/
And I am guessing you do not have anything on the otherside that looks like that, but instead have a couple M5 threaded holes that do not line up for mounting a rack.
The first photo attached is from the rear of my Nomad Mk II. When I took the photo I did not have any mudguards fitted. Note the stainless steel thing in between the rack and the frame dropoout on the drive side. It is basically the same as the kickstand adapter, but without the arm that the kickstand attaches to. You should have one of those, if you do not then I can see your difficulty in mounting a rack.
The second photo attached shows the same thing but from a different perspective, my bike is upside down in this case. Again you can see the stainless steel fitting between the frame and rack dropout. And, you can see that on the inside of the dropout between the frame and hub sprocket, that one of the bolts that holds that stainless fitting to the frame is longer and has a nut threaded on it, that nut is between the sprocket and frame. If I was running mudguards, I would have attached the stays for the mudguards on that bolt using that nut. The bolt must be short enough that it does not get too close to the sprocket.
Third photo shows my Nomad Mk II with mudguards attached and you can see how I attached a rack and mudguards. If the photo looks odd, it is winter, studded tires on the bike, ice on the ground, and the bike was less than a year old so it was unusually clean. This website might have that photo rotated sideways on your screen.
I am not using the Thorn kickstand adapter, I am using something else to mount my kickstand, so do not let that confuse you.
Richemm:
Thanks for taking the time to reply and post those photos which I am looking at carefully. The adapter I was writing about is exactly the thorn dropout adapter with kickstand mount. Now I am wondering where I would get the type of stainless steel fitting that you have. I guess this is what I need (obvious really):
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carriers-racks/thorn-for-rohloff-cast-end-2-x-m5-to-1-x-m6-stainless-dropout-adaptors/?geoc=SE
Would have been a big help to know about the need for this when buying the kickstand mount especially as I'm ordering from the EU now which is not plain sailing. Possibly something they could add to the blurb on the website (assuming its the right solution).
Thanks again. Much appreciated.
mickeg:
Yeah, there are two versions:
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carriers-racks/thorn-for-cast-end-2-x-m5-to-1-x-m6-stainless-dropout-adaptors-mk2
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carriers-racks/thorn-for-rohloff-cast-end-2-x-m5-to-1-x-m6-stainless-dropout-adaptors/
It might be a good idea to contact SJS with your bike model and serial number and verify which version you should buy, but I suspect you can buy the one on sale price.
They should advise that you need one of these if you use the kickstand adapter and also use a rack.
I built up my frame in 2013, the Thorn kickstand adapters were not available at that time.
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