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Community => Member's Gallery => Topic started by: StuntPilot on January 26, 2012, 10:04:00 pm
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Initial photo of the new steed! Just out the box in mid-November 2011. The intention is to add more photos in the future as I do some tweaking and get some tour shots. It's life story you could call it. The journey begins!
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Richard!
Your new Raven Tour is just fabulous, and nicely-photographed, too; you can surely feel proud! It is so pretty (or handsome, as the case may be). Have you named it yet?
I am ever-intrigued by the owner photos I've seen. It is amazing how each bike bears the stamp of its owner's preferences and desires, and can look so different from one another.
I especially like your black-and-silver combo, Richard. It looks light and lithe, and ready-to-go. As a traditionalist, I also appreciate the appearance of the gum-colored skinwalls on the Paselas. Annnnnd...your Zefal HPX is a dead match; well-done! It fits in so well with the paint it isn't even visible at first glance.
Is that a special emblem on the rear of the top tube side?
Thanks for sharing your new Raven Tour with us, and I look forward to seeing it continue its journey toward completing your vision of all it can and should be!
Wish I could join you on a double-Thorn ride or two.
All the best,
Dan.
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Have you got a good few winter miles on her since November?
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Beautiful bike! Promises many happy miles ahead! And all the discoveriers and adventures along the way!
Sometimes I think, hmmm, maybe the Raven Tour would have been smarter than the Nomad. Am I really going to push my bike hard enough to justify the extra weight?
What rims do you have? I have gotten all preoccupied with rim width. I have the Andra CSS which have an inner well width of 19mm and so really a 50mm wide tire is about the limit, though of course people do go beyond that. OK, let me put on the miles to wear out these rims and then I will allow myself to buy wider rims and even wider fenders.
But then, maybe I should try something like the 40mm wide Schwalbe Marathon Racers. How would those change the feel of my bike?
Bah! That Brooks newsletter that Dan posted had something a few links in about folks riding unicycles cross-country!
Enjoy your rides!
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Dan - thanks for the praise. No, not named yet but have considered 'Torla' after a small village I visited in Summer high in the Spanish Pyrenees. Fantastic place and stunning near-by national park. Here are some pics by various folks on Google ... I think if I had had the Raven Tour then it would be a perfect touring area, indeed I saw many cyclists there.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=torla+spain&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=X44iT9OrB4Sm8gPzuJmxBw&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=754
Luckily the bike came as in the picture and though I planned to change to a 'stealth' version all in black, I have kind of become fond of the more classic look!
The sticker was added - its the www.immobilise.com (http://www.immobilise.com) sticker, and there is an RF device in the bike for identification. I added that as soon as I got the bike.
If you are ever in Scotland for a tour, let me know and we can do that ride (maybe we can team up with that fabulous tonka yellow Fife Nomad too ;D).
Cambirder - Nope, had a few rides localy but the weather has been awfull most of the Winter so far, high winds (100mph + many times, snow, rain, ice, the usual). I know that's an excuse! Don't mind the mud and wet for the bike though. The weather is getting better so looking forward to some longer rides. It will definitely be fully used in the coming months!
JimK - Thanks for the comments Jim. Rims are standard Rigida Andra 30s that come as standard. I am contemplating a SON dynamo and a new wheel with the CSS rims at some point in the (distant?) future. The wheels are fine and well built but I do hear that the CSS are the way forward. Think I may look for the Swiss Stop green brake pads (last longer, and kinder on the standard rims?) when the current shimano's get a bit lower. Tyres - Marathon Mondials 2 inch for rougher tours? Currently Pacella Tourguard 1.75s and the back one is a bit worn.
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nope, had a few rides locally but the weather has been awfull most of the Winter so far
You need down to sunny East Anglia where it hardly ever rains 8).
I set myself a winter target of an average 100km a week but so far this year the weather has been very kind (although often cold) and I've manage a fraction over 150 km. Today has been perfect and I got nice 87 km loop Cambridge - Clare (Suffolk) - Cambridge, blue skies all the way.
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Richard,
After seeing the photos in your link, I cast my vote in favor of "Torla". Man! What a fantastic place! Right out of a fantasy or adventure novel -- absolutely incredible.
Giving your bike a name that evokes such a place bodes well for future adventures while retaining a nice link to a pleasant past; it's all good. Besides, it is a name with a story for those who ask, and that's never a bad thing!
Your Immobilise sticker reminds me I've got to do something with regard to registering Sherpa (and getting him a proper name as well!). It remains a real concern. Thanks for the link. It sounds like a great program, and I'll look for something similar over here.
Yes, please do keep us all up to date with any and all developments and adventures with your lovely steed -- can't wait for the Next Chapter! If there's anything we on the Forum can help with, let us know. Here's a thought on the rim/wheel...you could always go CSS with the SON, and replace the rear rim when it wears out instead of going CSS all at once. I find my front rim gets the most wear (greater braking due to weight transfer), but not everyone has the same braking style. And yes, you can do a lot of "ride-tuning" just by changing tires. It is a cheap way to go from a "go-fast" to a "touring" orientation. Jim even changes by the season with is studded winter tires for icy conditions (maybe just the ticket for your present bad weather?).
If you are ever in Scotland for a tour...
And if you're ever stateside, you've got a ride waiting as well!
Best,
Dan.
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Cheers Dan
That's what I was thinking! New wheel with CSS rim for the front with the SON dynamo (I suppose it has to be sooner than later as they have stopped production of the SON 28 Klassik).
Keep existing front as a spare for use in long Summer months where lights are not required (or for a future http://www.extrawheel.co.uk/cycle-touring-trailers/voyager-trailers/voyager-custom-build.html (http://www.extrawheel.co.uk/cycle-touring-trailers/voyager-trailers/voyager-custom-build.html) trailer possibly).
You may have see these videos but I was inspired by Tom's Bike Trip in Mongolia ...
http://vimeo.com/18567650 Its in 4 parts
Replace the back wheel rim when worn out with CSS. Sounds like a plan!
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Richard,
If we can get you to buy an ExtraWheel, I can call you "Test Pilot" instead of "Stunt Pilot". I've been vaguely considering one as a handy way to carry the extra water I need for desert crossings and wondered how it might work in practice. You could tell me! ;D
They look like a really neat approach to trailering, and far better-suited for off-road work than some other solutions, including the two trailers I've made. They work great with the tandem, which only does pavement and gravel (keel tube and long wheelbase and no suspension = bad for true off-road), but not so well for the truly rough stuff as they are two-wheelers, and it means I. Hit. Every. Single. Bump. And. Pothole. Ouch. between the bike's single track and the trailer's two. And yes, your present front wheel gets you halfway toward an ExtraWheel already!
If you didn't already have enough temptation, I might suggest you squirrel away a SON28 Klassik against that time when the wheel gets built. 'Just kind of tuck it away in the spares box so you're getting a wheel on the installment plan (this worked for me; I bought a set of the Thorn Low-Loader front pannier racks a full 18 months before I got Sherpa. Ever hear the old Johnny Cash song, "One Piece at a Time"? See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HfbRdclvkM ).
What a great trip Tom took; the stuff of dreams. Thanks for the updated link.
Best,
Dan.
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Well, a good ride last weekend in the chilly Sun! Some snow on the distant hills and a dump due this weekend! So far have made the following changes since I got the steed (I write this for myself too as a history of the bike!) ...
+ Added Brooks B17 Select Saddle (good so far but still needs bedding in - good feeling about it!)
+ Addes two Profile Design water cages (cheap, strong, utilitarian)
+ Added chain-stay and fork inner-tube protection using twist ties and old inner tubes found in the garage (tubes from my first round Scotland tour many years ago! - continue the dream!)
+ Added security locks for both hubs, Ahead and seat post
+ Degreased and cleaned chain and re-lubed with http://www.squirtlube.com/ (http://www.squirtlube.com/)
+ Adjusted the Ergon Grips to better align the wrists
+ Touched up some paint chips
+ Bits of the same old inner tube added at contact points for pump and Click-Stand (to come)
+ After many rides have found the sweet spot for saddle height and general position on the bike
+ Shimano M324 pedals confirmed as the right choice
+ Removed and added Copper Ease to many bolts to prevent seizing (racks need Loctite to prevent loosening)
+ Added black 'ping-bell' to steerer to allow more space on bars
And a picture to date ... looking classically ready for some tough stuff ;)
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Lovely bike and photo.
I bought a second hand Raven Tour (in a fetching Rosso Red) for a ride to China and back. I was wondering what to use to regrease the threads of all the nuts and bolts before I go. Do most people agree with copper grease for everything except for the racks that should be covered in Loctite? Danneaux I see you a prolific poster on here (I spent many months researching what would be the right bike, justifying the price of the Rohloff to myself and then pining over them when I should have been doing uni work), so I thought you might know.
Phil
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Philb ...
Congrats on your new bike! Yes, dis-mantle the bike, and reassemble using 'Copper Ease' on all parts that will be, or will be required to be removed (chain wheel, cog, peddles, brake bits etc.) The racks and other parts that should stay where they are should be given a dose of Loctite. I think you have the right bike. The Rohloff you will find is superb. Strong and simple. Want to do a long trip ... then Rohloff is the answer as far as my research goes. (Will report otherwise!!)
The rest is simple ... get your gear together and go! The problems will arise and you will find the strength to solve them!
Happy peddling!
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My goodness, Richard...it is such a pleasure to see your wonderful new ride become even moreso as you fine-tune it to your needs and preferences!
And, may I add, you're doing a wonderful job if it! Classic appearance that is classy and tough at once -- ready for anything, like a nice Range Rover to my way of thinking. Everything but the leather uphol-- wait! You've got that in the new Brooks B17 Select! ;D Tweed Run to 'round the world, you're set!
Looking ever so closely at the latest photo, it appears you might have added a neoprene seal to the lower headset? Is that the new ping-bell I spy at the rear of the steerer? Good location! Annnnd, what a nice, neat job of wrapping the right chainstay. You won't have the same worries about chipping as on a derailleur bike with a chain tensioner, but this will prevent any knocks that could possibly occur. Good idea to eventually add a little scuff pad for the coming Click-Stand. We haven't seen you on it yet, but the bike alone looks like a wonderful example of a balanced, neutral setup...all ready-to-go and eager for flight. You are doing such a nice job, and can surely be proud! Outstanding. I am so looking forward to following its further evolution. As an aside, you're wise to document its development for many reasons. It gives you a record for your files, and it also provides a photographic record and written description in the event of loss due to theft or fire.
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Phil...[Editorial snip so I won't dilute Richard's bike thread with a long answer to a question...
If you're happy with Copper Ease, I would suggest staying with it. Be sure to use anti-seize on the chainring bolts and the outside of the chainring sleeve nuts.]
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I keep going back for another look at your bike, Richard; so nice!
Best to you both,
Dan.
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Thanks very much for your help chaps.
I think I will probably stick with the crowd Dan, and no need to ship something from the States if there is stuff here, but thanks for your opinion. I'll definitely coat the outside of the chainring nuts well, it's something I might have forgotten to do and as you say could have been annoying in the long run.
Anyway, I won't hijack the diary of this gorgeous bike anymore. Thanks again
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Guys
Thanks for the comments! Yes, you can see the ping bell on the steerer. A wire fence is not the best background is it?! I added the Lizard Skins headset bearing cover to keep out mud and dust.
Not really many more changes to make (depending on the tour being made) as the bike was as I wanted pretty much straight out the box. Only main projects would be lights and the SON dynamo with The Plug2, which sounds the perfect solution for lights and power. I have found this high-capacity battery that could be charged by USB http://www.hypershop.com/HyperJuice-Mini-7200mAh-Battery-for-iPhone-iPad-iPod-USB-s/165.htm (http://www.hypershop.com/HyperJuice-Mini-7200mAh-Battery-for-iPhone-iPad-iPod-USB-s/165.htm) Seems to be the highest capacity battery available, and allows pass-through to charge items while the battery itself is being charged. But thats another thread ...
Ping bell ...
Cheers for now!
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That's a really nice looking bike SP.
The B17 Select looks nice too, I hope you can post a pic of it further down the line when it has developed a 'patina'. I also believe the Select is supposed to be harder wearing, good choice.
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Thanks Relayer - you have just given me the idea to take a photo of the B17 Select every 5000km (or less if it changes more quickly). Yes, the saddle is very hard but so far very comfortable and I have a good feeling about it. Recommended!
A photo is attached below of the saddle just after fitting.
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The much praised Bike Buddy is now attached to carry fuel. Will eventually go for a 1 litre bottle for added range.
The Click-Stand is a 6 piece one and fits well using the side-mount and velcro strap. Does not get in the way. Glad you suggested buying both side-mount and centre-mounts Dan. I may use the latter later but the six section Click-Stand is pretty tight with the rubber securing band. Would be better with a 4 or 5 part Click-Stand. Glad I bought the six-piece though as it is very compact.
The water bottle is from Elementerre (http://www.elementerre.fr/produit.php?ref=JESTER2011&id_rubrique=24&id_car=6&id_rubrique=6 (http://www.elementerre.fr/produit.php?ref=JESTER2011&id_rubrique=24&id_car=6&id_rubrique=6)) and has an indentation which exactly fits the lug of the Profile cage and keeps it solidly attached.
Roll on the good weather - touring season is about to begin!
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Richard,
The new detail shots of Torla are really fantastic; a great bike just keeps getting better and better! ;D
It surely is nice to see the progression over time, and your vision for it all is coming together nicely! Well done!
That little ping-bell mount looks so nice on the back of the steerer (handy, too), and I see you've taken such care in arranging the spacers "just so"; details count!
The saddle is a lovely thing, and it will be intriguing to see how the more natural-finish leather breaks-in and ages. I haven't seen one like yours after some use, so I am mightily interested to see how it comes out. My bet? It will look ever-better, and will age very gracefully after a long and youthful adolescence and adulthood. May it serve you well for many miles (it will!).
And...the bottles...! Very nice job! It surely is difficult (here on this side of the pond, anyway) to find an alloy bottle with the annular detent in just the right place for the bottle cage so it locks-in securely. The fuel bottle is in the best possible spot to avoid in-bag leaks and fumes, and it is great to hear the Click-Stand works so well. <nods> Yes, I too was unsure which mount would work best, and suspicioned one might be better than another depending on the segments chosen. I am still unsettled about depending on the "rubber" band for retention, so plan to modify the velcro-closed mount before much more time goes by. The consequences of a failure -- hovering as it is over the front wheel on my Sherpa -- are too horrible to contemplate or delay taking action.
Thanks very much for sharing "the latest", Richard. Torla's a true beauty, and you can be ever-so-proud!
Best,
Dan.
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Richard,
...Going back and looking even closer...
What a great job making the little innertube chainstay protector for where the the end of the pump seats on the frame. A lot of love has gone into Torla, and it will be well-rewarded by decades of faithful service, I know.
The red fuel bottle adds an adventurous splash of color for when you're on-tour. I carry a nearly identical Brunton 1-liter fuel bottle when I'm not taking the half-liter SIGG. The Bruntons sometimes come on sale at Sierra Trading Post ( http://www.sierratradingpost.com/ ) for the princely sum of USD$2.50, as when I get mine. You may wish to check their site occasionally. Their items frequently have something wrong in some way or are discontinued/closeouts, but the fuel bottle seems fine.
Just great to see!
Oh! A question...what is that just below the seatpost clamp on the photo of your saddle? It looks like the end of a Pitlock, perhaps intended to keep the saddle secured to the post. Could it be?
Best,
Dan.
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Dan - glad you like 'Torla', and I think 'Torla' will indeed be her name as it still rings with me. The bottles are aluminium and were not expensive (got it in France over the Summer) - should have bought two, one for the other Profile cage! Their colour fits with Torla's retro look!
When I bought the Pitlocks I also got hold of two of their collar clamps. One sits under the saddle, the other where the seat post meets the seat tube.
There is a fairly chunky bolt in the gap behind the collar which prevents direct access to the hex bolt of the seat clamp. Metal tongues and bolt cover the seat clamp bolt on the frame.
At least it looks totally secure and solid!
Best
Richard
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Thought I would add a couple of Brooks B17 Select 'patina' shots ...
The first one is at 3km with 3 coats of Proofhide as already posted. The second is after 489km with 5 coats of the good stuff. I don't think I need to add another coat for a while as its holding up well (no doubt to the moist 'Summer' here!).
Its looking better and better! And of course more comfortable. I am thoroughly happy with the saddle.
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Its looking better and better!
Oh, indeed it is, Richard! Very handsome to start, it is even better now.
I really love the followups you're doing as Torla changes over time. A wonderful way to document the evolution and personalization of your bicycle.
The only caution I would offer is to think about keeping the Proofide coats light. The stuff has a way of looking like nothing is happening, then -- wow! -- the leather has become prone to stretch or suddenly...does. Ulp. That's a horrible feeling. The different leather finishes "take up" the Proofide in different ways. I've found the apple-green color is very resistant to it, while some (not all) black finishes really lap it up. I have no idea how yours will do eventually, but if it were a problem you would have known it already, so no worries. It looks fabulous!
Brooks saddles really are something, aren't they? If one hasn't owned one previously, it is hard to imagine just how wonderful they can be. I thought I'd found Nirvana in my old Avocet Touring II saddles in the early 1980s...little did I now how much better waited me with my first Brooks. And second, and third, and.... It is a disease.
Looks wonderful, and Torla is delighted, I'm sure!
Best,
Dan.
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Thanks Dan! Yes in-dee-dee - the Brooks is the business. Initially with all the talk of them being uncomfortable and requiring a long break-in, I was noticing and worrying a bit during each ride with the new saddle. When I forgot to worry, it became more comfortable!
At least for me, it is a great saddle but I can understand why some, though I am sure only a few, never quite feel it is right for them. I am glad I bought my first Brooks - works for me.
Yes, will keep up light applications of Proofhide - thanks for the tip. Glad you got your shimmy sorted!
Cheers
Richard
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Well, a good ride last weekend in the chilly Sun! Some snow on the distant hills and a dump due this weekend!
I'm bit late responding to this Stundpilot, but where are the hills in the background to your picture? The Angus Glens perhaps if you are in Scotland - the country in the foreground has an east coast feel about it?
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kwkirby - I'm South of Edinburgh in the Scottish Borders.
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After reading the interesting thread on mirrors at http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4316.0 (http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4316.0) I added a mirror a few weeks ago. Its a simple relatively cheap CatEye Racing mirror but has a good field of view that gives a good indication of traffic distance.
Thanks to all on that thread for the great advice. This is the CatEye mirror ...
http://www.cateye.com/en/products/detail/BM-300G/ (http://www.cateye.com/en/products/detail/BM-300G/)
Available as usual from our forum sponsor ...
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/cateye-bm-300g-race-mirror-left-or-right-fitting-prod13904/ (http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/cateye-bm-300g-race-mirror-left-or-right-fitting-prod13904/)
Only problem is that it interferes a little with the hand position so will be looking at a B&M Cycle Star at some point in the future. One on each side of the handlebars for increased safety. Probably this one ...
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/busch-and-muller-cycle-star-mirror-fits-to-handlebar-end-short-stem-prod16568/ (http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/busch-and-muller-cycle-star-mirror-fits-to-handlebar-end-short-stem-prod16568/)
Seems like it can be attached to the bar end as well any bar end extensions that allow a variety of hand positions. For the moment I am happy with the CatEye Racing.
Interesting to note that the CatEye mirror model number is BM-300G!??
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More Brooks B17 Special patina shots from last Summer ...
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I attached the BikeRevolution (now Bike Shepherd) sticker attached to the down tube. It allows smartphone users to snap the bar code and find out if the bike has been stollen! Great idea!
http://www.bikeshepherd.org/ (http://www.bikeshepherd.org/)
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Last Summer I managed to get hold of a set of Magura Odur 85mm travel forks.
They are air damped but have a spring for the suspension. They are a great option for remote off-road touring as there is no risk of loss of suspension should the air seals fail. It took a while but tracked them down via Google - found them in a bike shop in Tallinn, Estonia. They work well on a Raven Tour due to the shorter 85mm travel. Tom Allen used Magura Odurs when crossing Mongolia. See some of his great adventures here ...
http://vimeo.com/album/1515720 (http://vimeo.com/album/1515720)
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Snow and blizzards this week (mid-March). In similar conditions I ventured out for a local run in the snow back in January. The Marathon Winter tyres worked well but is slush and wet snow, they can slide a bit before grip is obtained.
The best technique for going down hill in these conditions I found was to sit on the top tube and use both legs as out-riggers and the feet as brakes! The top tube is quite comfortable with the foam pipe lagging attached!
(Note: the mirror is now a Mirrycle Mountain Mirror http://www.mirrycle.com/mountain_mirrycle.php (http://www.mirrycle.com/mountain_mirrycle.php). The cat-eye is good but the Mountain Mirrror gives a bit more space for the hand. It is also quite a bit stronger.
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Wow, Richard!
What changes...and so much fun to see Torla ("Ordessa Torla Reiver of Border") progress.
Something very wonderful happens to a bicycle in extended ownership. Special touches are made, the bike evolves...takes on a personality of its own. I've so often marveled at how many nearly identical Thorns leave Bridgwater...and end up so very different after finding their homes.
The saddle looks wonderful, coloring-in very nicely! The bell is a terrific way to "let 'em know you're coming", and the sus-fork and seatpost -- well, you'll be riding on a cloud over anything in the way! Have you rigged a front mudguard yet? Winter tires (tyres), new mirror, Man! All is looking fine!
[EDIT: Oh! Back to rigid forks for snowy stuff? Torla's looking *very* adventurous...had no idea she'd take you to Siberia B-r-r-r! Those are some absolutely *superb* snow photos, Richard]
Yours is not the first bike I've seen with a padded top tube. I was visiting the local uni a couple weeks ago and noted it is now de rigueur to have similar protection against the ravages of harsh steel loop-type parking racks. Removable at will, it'll keep scuffs, scratches, and possibly even dents away. Nothing better for things like this:The best technique for going down hill in these conditions I found was to sit on the top tube and use both legs as out-riggers and the feet as brakes! The top tube is quite comfortable with the foam pipe lagging attached!
Thanks for sharing a bit more of Torla's evolution with us; looking forward to more!
All the best,
Dan.
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Nice pics - Where abouts in Scotland were these taken ?
I'm in the west, glasgow area, not that much snow here.
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sg hi!
The snow shots are in the Borders up the Ettrick Valley, and were taken back in January (though there is even more snow up there today!). Its over knee deep at my Sister's place near Lauder! Arctic blizzard conditions here right now. And to think it was 22 deg C this time last year ???
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Yes Dan - the pipe lagging top tube 'look' is the new fashion! Indeed it protects the bike when quickly locking with a chain, and for the 'leap-on-and-off' part of the cycling process. I have since wound a length of Gaffer Tape round the pipe lagging for any emergency repairs (e.g. tent/sleeping mat/rack).
About the suspension fork, I actually prefer the standard forks for general riding. If I was doing the trip on the Great Divide Bike Trail, of course the forks would go on (with the Suntour suspension seat post). It is a great fork with the 'dynamic lockout' function for sealed road conditions effectively turning it back into a solid fork. They still appear on eBay from time to time so keep a look out.
Pics and the other mods to follow. Brrr ... its cold! Time for some Moray Cullen Skink!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cullen_skink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cullen_skink)
]http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/jan/05/how-to-cook-perfect-cullen-skink] (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/jan/05/how-to-cook-perfect-cullen-skink)
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Time for some Moray Culen Skink!
My, that sounds good! I'll be right over! ;D
Best,
Dan.
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Co-incidence: I also had a cateye mirror which was good, but got broken when I dropped the bike. It now sports the same mirrycle as yours, and agree, its stronger with more room for your hand.
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sg hi!
The snow shots are in the Borders up the Ettrick Valley, and were taken back in January (though there is even more snow up there today!). Its over knee deep at my Sister's place near Lauder! Arctic blizzard conditions here right now. And to think it was 22 deg C this time last year ???
That looks like The Swire/Witchie Knowe road between the Ettrick and The Yarrow?
A superb mini alpine like climb.
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That first one of the two snow photos is among the most stunning wintry bike shots I've seen. Really, really nicely done; I keep returning for another look.
Best,
Dan.
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Rue
Yes, its up the Swire tops. No one around serene and peaceful. Just the sound of the breeze.
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Witchey Knowe. Not been over that in years, I used to always do the dave harris audax. Its a nice climb, but would never have recognised it from the pics.
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sg hi!
The snow shots are in the Borders up the Ettrick Valley, and were taken back in January (though there is even more snow up there today!). Its over knee deep at my Sister's place near Lauder! Arctic blizzard conditions here right now. And to think it was 22 deg C this time last year ???
Small world. Etrick Valley! Got a couple of friends who live at Shorthope Farm. Doggie and Anne Bain. Do you know them?
Nice area. I wish I could get there more often.
I have a Raven as well,and was thinking of lagging the top tube. What do you use?
Matt
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I have a Raven as well,and was thinking of lagging the top tube. What do you use?
More on top-tube pads here: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=6211.0
Best,
Dan.
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Matt
Do I don't know your friends but I know where the farm is. I did the Southern Upland way a few years ago and stayed the night in the bothy at Upper Phawhope.
Dan has good suggestions in his link but here in the UK just pop along to B&Q - they have the inexpensive Climaflex grey coloured pipe lagging in various sizes. They may have it in black too. Well worth doing to protect the top tube.
Cheers
Richard
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Matt
Do I don't know your friends but I know where the farm is. I did the Southern Upland way a few years ago and stayed the night in the bothy at Upper Phawhope.
Dan has good suggestions in his link but here in the UK just pop along to B&Q - they have the inexpensive Climaflex grey coloured pipe lagging in various sizes. They may have it in black too. Well worth doing to protect the top tube.
Cheers
Richard
Thanks Stuntpilot
I will be visiting BQ in the near future. ;D
If you did the Southern Upland Way you would have passed our shop at St Johns Town of Dalry.
Maybe you called in?
Isn't it a small world?
We think we have a buyer for the shop so after 16 years we will soon be moving on to the Aberdeen area.
Don't tell me you have been through Inverurie and Kemnay?
;)
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B&Q - they have the inexpensive Climaflex grey coloured pipe lagging in various sizes. They may have it in black too. Well worth doing to protect the top tube.
Apart from my "market research" (otherwise known as "curiosity" when I see a new trend in the bicycle marketplace), I'm seeing more and more photos of world tourists with pipe lagging on their bikes, primarily on the top tube.
It is lightweight, it can be removed and reinstalled easily, and it absorbs the knocks and abrasion that would otherwise leave scuffs, scrapes, scratches, and possibly dents. Who knows?: It could become as common as Ortliebs and Tubuses (Tubii?) among world cycle-tourists, especially those who fly.
Richard, you're at the leading edge of the curve!
Best,
Dan.
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Matt
I remember arriving in the pouring rain and the guys at the Lochinvar Hotel let me stay in a small staff room or a room being done up. I was very grateful to them. It had been raining all day and I was exhausted. Had a pint in the Clachan and hit the sack! I did buy a few snacks in the shop (your shop?!) in the morning. Small world indeed!
Don't worry, you are safe in Aberdeenshire!! I don't know the North-East well at all.
Its worth getting some extra tubing. Its very light and could fit into an Ortlieb Rack Sac if you are heading to an airport or transporting the bike. I got enough to cover the seat tube and down tube as well as the forks for future travel. Its better than bubble wrap and you can always donate it to someone at your destination for re-use!
Agree Dan, its 'de rigueur'!
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Matt
I remember arriving in the pouring rain and the guys at the Lochinvar Hotel let me stay in a small staff room or a room being done up. I was very grateful to them. It had been raining all day and I was exhausted. Had a pint in the Clachan and hit the sack! I did buy a few snacks in the shop (your shop?!) in the morning. Small world indeed!
yes it was/is my shop!
Amazing!!
Don't worry, you are safe in Aberdeenshire!! I don't know the North-East well at all.
You'll be very welcome to stop over if ever in the area.
2 years ago I biked, Fort William, Inverness, Aberdeen.
Amazing scenery and it only rained 95% of the time.
:'(
Mind you, it was July
;)
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OK, more photos ...
I replaced the Cateye mirror with a Mirrycle Mountain mirror. Comparing the photo with that of the Cateye you can see that there is more hand room. A better mirror in my opinion and stronger (though the Cateye is also a nice mirror).
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Other modifications in the past year have included the change to the Ergon GP1 BioKork grips. Finally got rid of the old ones (via eBay) to a guy in London who seems very happy with them.
I prefer the less 'tacky' feel of the material of the BioKorks. I also got rid of the steerer mounted 'ping' bell and replaced it with the more substantial 'ring' of the Mirrycle Incredibell ... doesn't even look like a bell!
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Yay! Great changes, Richard!
Torla is lookin' fine, fine!
Yes, indeed.
Lovin' the BioKork grips; nice match for the saddle in color and tone.
Best,
Dan.
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Dan, yep. Simple inexpensive changes and worth it. It took a while to get the angle of the Ergon grips just right but in the end I am very happy with the change. The colour match is an unexpected bonus. The grips are wearing well (probably because I have had to use gloves the last six months due to the wet/cold weather!)
Torla is also looking a bit clean too with all the rain and snow recently. Must change that with a planned long tour soon! Torla needs some mud!
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Other modifications in the past year have included the change to the Ergon GP1 BioKork grips. Finally got rid of the old ones (via eBay) to a guy in London who seems very happy with them.
I prefer the less 'tacky' feel of the material of the BioKorks. I also got rid of the steerer mounted 'ping' bell and replaced it with the more substantial 'ring' of the Mirrycle Incredibell ... doesn't even look like a bell!
I fancy the Mirrycycle Incredibell but haven't been able to source in here in UK.
May I ask where / how you obtained yours?
Matt
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Hi Matt
I ordered the Incredibell Grip Bell in Silver Painted Brass direct from their web site for US$13.50. Postage was US$7 so not too bad. Here ...
https://www.mirrycle.com/form_bells_mirrors.php (https://www.mirrycle.com/form_bells_mirrors.php)
Cheers
Richard
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Hi Matt
I ordered the Incredibell Grip Bell in Silver Painted Brass direct from their web site for US$13.50. Postage was US$7 so not too bad. Here ...
https://www.mirrycle.com/form_bells_mirrors.php (https://www.mirrycle.com/form_bells_mirrors.php)
Cheers
Richard
Thanks Richard
I will check the diam. of my bars.
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Got them on my Thorn Comfort Bars Matt. They are 25.4mm central section and 22mm where the bell fits. I think 22mm is a standard bar diameter so should fit most bars.
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Some other updates in the last year or so ...
1: Suntour SP12 NCX Suspension seat post and neoprene cover.
2: B&M Dymotec 6 bottle dynamo generator.
3: Thorn Mark V Low Loader front rack.
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My Humpert bars are 25.4mm so the bell won't fit.
:'(
Tell me more about the Suntour seat post please.
Benefits and ride quality? Cost and availability?
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Matt
The Thorn Comfort Bars are great if you are ever thinking of changing from the Humperts!
The Suntour SP12-NCX suspension seat post was something I looked at as I thought the Thudbuster was a bit expensive. So I googled/looked around. I was not looking for total suspension post but something that would absorb the big bumps while effectively acting as a solid seat post. The Suntour seemed like a good option. Reviews were good too with some saying they preferred it as it did not bounce up and down all the time. The Suntour can be adjusted so it 'bounces' when you want. I fiddled with the spring setting after I got it and have found the perfect setting.
I have not tried the much acclaimed Thudbuster (which does look good and it would be useful to try in comparison) so no first hand experience on that.
I find that while riding in the current tension setting that I am happy with, when you hit a big bump the seat post does indeed absorb the bump with a click-like sound. Initially I found it a bit strange but got used to it. The suspension action, being a parallelogram arrangement, does not affect the riding position much, just like the Thudbuster.
I had some concerns that in dusty or other extreme conditions, the mechanical mechanism was somewhat exposed. For that reason I bought the neoprene cover that fits the seat post mechanism ((£3.02 + postage (reasonable) from http://www.xxcycle.com/case-seatpost-suntour-ncx-sp-12,,en.php (http://www.xxcycle.com/case-seatpost-suntour-ncx-sp-12,,en.php)). So far it has worked well.
The seat post itself I found at Practical Cycles but they appear to not stock them any more http://www.practicalcycles.com/userimages/procart77.htm (http://www.practicalcycles.com/userimages/procart77.htm). Rosebikes have them here at the time of writing at about what I paid ...
http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/suntour-seat-post-sp12-ncx/aid:614120 (http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/suntour-seat-post-sp12-ncx/aid:614120)
All in all I like it, and the construction is solid. How it would fair on an extended tour I do not know yet. I have not seen any reviews on World cycle touring sites.
Hope that helps Matt
Cheers
Richard
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Pics of the AXA Defender lock now fitted. Its a great lock for touring, and coupled with a good U-Lock (Abus Granite X Plus 54 for example, shown in two of the pictures), the high risk city parking is covered too.
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Oh, that looks nice, Richard!
You did a fine job fitting it, and it looks "just right"; well done! It clears your pump on its peg nicely as well.
I've gotten to the point where a bike without a ring-lock looks a bit incomplete in my eyes. They're just so handy!
Still, they're not the last word in high security, so you're wise to keep the U-lock in the picture, as do I. Pitlocks for the rest.
The cover on the SunTour sus-post looks good, too.
Best,
Dan.
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Dan - a bit of a fiddle to fit but space is no problem on the Thorns (even with the pump etc), at least the Raven Tour.
Delighted with the choice for touring. The Abus Granite will not be going on tour though - too heavy at almost 2kg! Pitlocks fitted - also great.
Note: Gaffer tape supply on top tube ... essential item for touring.
Thanks again for everyone's advice on the AXA Defender!
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Richard,
That's all very helpful--am researching the use of an AXA on my Raven-in-my-future, and you've done it all for me!
Like your black-and-silver bike very much, and Torla's a great name. In July/Aug 2011, I was hiking in the Spanish Pyrenees with my daughter, and we used Torla as a base for a week of day hikes. Fabulous place, and I found an excellent shoe-repair gel to fix my abraded and leaking boots. Foto attached of a meadow and the canyon wall just near the Ara River campground..
Enjoy your riding with Torla in the summer. As I write, the last (?) winter storm is battering my windows--snow/rain/ice pellets/freezing rain. It wasn't supposed to be like this...
John
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John
Yes, Torla and the area around is wonderful. The camp site you stayed at looks great. I drove up to Camping Valle de Bujaruelo and did day walks from there, including the same path as in your photo. Wonderful!
http://www.campingvalledebujaruelo.com/
Would go back there one day it is so spectacular. Hence I called the bike after the town Torla. The stable name of my Raven is 'Ordessa Torla Reiver of Borders'. Signifies spectacular country, steep climbs off and on-road, and my local area including 'crossing borders' now and in the future!
Yep, still waiting for Spring here!
Cheers
Richard
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Just completed the North Sea Cycle Route this Summer. The first big outing for 'Torla'! Currently I am editing and captioning the photographs and will post a trip report and links to the photos soon.
Minor niggles with the Thorn Raven Tour:
1: 8 punctures
2: Replaced the front wheel bearings in Cuxhaven, Germany (one damaged bearing)
3: New £10 chain in Inverness (clunking sound due to bad link on previous (new) chain (my fault fitting it) and forgot to bring the extra links!). £10 chain got me home!
4: Replaced Panaracer Tourguard tyres (started to delaminate after at least 8000km of use/UV/rough tracks/Kent broken glass/soft side walls/nails!) with Schwalbe Marathon Plus in Woowich, London
Only wear and tear - the Raven Tour is a fantastic, solid and comfortable machine!
In the mean time I thought I would add a photo of 'Torla' fully loaded in North-West Germany. If anyone would like specific information on the route or aspects of the trip please feel free to ask!
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Aw, Richard!
What a fantastic-looking touring rig; Torla's looking fine, fine!
Very much looking forward to to your full report when you can manage it, and reading all the details.
Gorgeous photo!
Welcome back; you've been missed!
All the best,
Dan.
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Brooks B17 Patina Development
Well this is an interesting change of colour after the North Sea Cycle Route. The saddle has well and truly broken in and is very comfortable. Here are the photos so far of the 'patina' changes on the saddle.
All three photos can be seen here for comparison ...
http://www.touronabike.com/patina-on-the-brooks-b17-select/
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My, Richard, your saddle looks nicer with every successive photo!
The color now reminds me of how the pre-dyed "honey" saddle look at the start. Hmm. "Natural" Brooks as Rohloff hub analog: Do the break-in work yourself and you enjoy that mush more service life.
Really looking fine. Nice to see the three shots in succession on your blog as well.
Best,
Dan.
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Hey, Richard, well done to you and Torla! I'll look forward to your report and photos, and over the next few months I may be in touch for your advice on bike and route. I now have the essentials of a New Raven in my basement, and by March next year, hope to have the complete item up and running. Plans for next year ("advanced speculation" is more accurate) include some part of Eurovelo 10, the Baltic Sea Route, starting in Berlin, where our daughter now lives, and including Denmark, parts of Sweden and I hope one or more of the Baltic republics. All still t.b.c., of course, and probably not quite so ambitious as your safari around the North Sea.
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Thanks Dan and John! Yes John, enjoyed the trip - if you need any info where your planned route covers any of the North Sea route, feel free to ask.
I did have a long chat in Skagen in Denmark with a German guy who cycled from his home in Leipzig, up to the Polish coast, east to the Baltic states, crossed to Finland, north to the top of Norway and was returning via the North Sea and across Germany home! Some trip eh?
He said that the Baltic states were NOT bike friendly and there are no cycle paths. He did not enjoy it there. He thought an inland tour in any of the Baltic states would be fine but along the coast there are only main roads and lots of heavy traffic.
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Thanks, Richard, that's a good tip. Nudges me to start thinking about spending more time in Scandinavia. Have yet to scan the material on CGOAB, but will be in touch when I've worked out my questions. - J.
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Just updated my touring web site with the North Sea Cycle Route daily GPS files (under Tours). Also added to the Bike page (under Gear). A few header photos taken on the trip have also ben added to spruce up the site. Any questions about the North Sea Cycle Route, feel free to ask!
You can register your email address if you want to know when additional posts are added to the site as it develops (early days yet!)
www.touronabike.com