Thorn Cycles Forum
Private Classified => Bikes For Sale => Topic started by: Hoodatder on June 01, 2023, 09:26:36 am
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Good day to you, one and all,
Yes, I still draw breath and have given the Grim reaper a thoroughly good thrashing. 1-0 to me so far.
Now, down to business. We have for sale here a beautiful specimen that I am selling for my widowed neighbour and worthy of close inspection - the bike , that is.
The history as far as I can ascertain is that the 1st owner bought it for £3400 in July 2015 according to the invoice. He sold it after only 31 miles.
The deceased owner had it only 6 months before dying of brain tumours. Memo to self to nail that Grim Reaper next time we meet!!
I doubt if it has covered 1500 miles judging by the tyres and the mans health. It has been stored in a very dry garage for the last 6+ years.
Here is the spec:-
Nomad 565L S+S Couplings + Ex Box
Shimano UN55 Taper Bottom Bracket
40T Chainring
17T Sprocket
SRAM 3/32 Chain
170mm Cranks
Shimano A-350 Reversible SPDs
Andra Rigida 30 Rims - I with Rohloff Drilling
Schwalbe Marathon Tyres 2.0”
Thorn Flat Track Handlebar
Ergon GP5-L Grips
Velo Deluxe Sports Mens Saddle
Shimano Deore V Brakes
SKS Chromplastic Mudguards
Thorn Mk V Expedition Front Pannier
Thorn MkV Expedition Rear Pannier
2 x Profile Design Cages
Lezyne Swivel Drive HV Mini Pump
Cateye TI-LD 1100 10 Led Rear light & Bracket
Cateye CC-MC 200 Mico Wireless Computer
6 x Spare Spokes
Sadly, no cuddly toy or pair of sliding doors :-)
Price: £1650.
My Clickstand is not included with the sale but a very close offer would secure it.
Of course sensible offers will be entertained and I will do my best to arrange a courier at buyers expense.
The bike is located in God’s Country - Beverley, East Yorkshire.
Naturally, I took the bike for a spin and it didn’t fail to put a smile on my face - anything does these days though.
Seriously folks, this is a gem. I would like the users of this forum to have 1st choice before advertising elsewhere.
I am happy to answer any questions but you do realise I don’t have a direct phone line to the other world - yet. I’m working on that.
Thank you all for looking and Best Regards to you all.
Hoot
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The photos are not uploading so I will visit the altar of Dannueax for assistance
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Sounds like a great bike. I’m sure there will be a lot of interest.
My first Nomad had a similar back story. I always felt encouraged to ride it far and wide, which I did.
Good luck. I’m guessing yellow or black?! 😊
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Colour is Tonka Yellow.
I have attached the photos after compressing them.
I note that only 4 photos are allowed per post.
I will drip feed them if necessary and hope they come out like the real thing.
Stay tuned. 8)
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Got the hang of this now.
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Hi to you all,
I am asking an honest question - do you think the price of the Nomad is too high, given that I have stated I am open to offers?
I would have bought it pre diagnosis for my tour and paid £1500.00 with no concern at all.
Not one offer or enquiry has been made. That suggests one of two things - the price is too high or there are no buyers out there - at present.
I am about to post it on the CT cycle forum where, no doubt, it will get slagged off and I have to be realistic about the whole situation.
Yes, I will emphasise that it is open to offers but veiled insults are another matter.
I have seen a couple of Nomads that have been withdrawn because the reserve price has not been met and in one case, no offers at all made for it.
Even the red Raven that has been posted has had nobody enquiring / sniffing about it.
I may have missed the boat as regards cyclists who like touring. They have made their plans and are already touring and geared up.
Maybe it is because since Brexit, our duration in Europe is limited, especially for a sustained and extended tour and such a bike is not required?
I know that if I was to advertise it for only £5.00, some hard nosed punter would ask if that included delivery?
On a similar vein, my friend is selling his gloss black Raven 562L. I know it has only covered 1000 miles max.
It is mint, immaculate the last time I saw it. His number is 07970 040 005. I would prefer if you dealt with him directly.
It has a rear rack, Tara front rack. He may well sell his Vaude panniers. A lovely set up.
I do not want to appear as trader or dealer. Simply a coincidence of two people wanting to sell Thorn bikes in immaculate condition and have asked for my help in posting the ad’s.
Thank you all in advance for help, appreciated as always.
Hoot
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I think it's an absolute bargain, half the cost for so few miles, someone is going to be very happy.
But it is also a specialist machine, those someones are going to be few and far between. This forum has a handful on enthusiasts, other forums will have a wider audience with less specific interests. There may be a potential buyer looking now, or it might be a while before one comes along. If there's a hurry for a sale, then nothing beats eBay, simply for the reach. it's a gamble and they take a chunk of the cash, but a sensible reserve can mitigate that. otherwise just keep plugging away till the right buyer comes along.
I don't think reducing the price will find you a buyer, how low would you go? How high will someone go if it's not the right bike for them?
Good luck.
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I agree with PH, the price really is a bargain Hoot especially given the bike condition from the pictures and also since its the S&S coupled model. Thorn no longer offers the S&S couplers for their latest version go anywhere Nomad touring bike so this bike will really appeal to those who want a bike to pack down smaller for flights as they travel about the world. A custom frame alone made from a bike frame builder with S&S couplers might set a person back a price around the region what you are asking for your complete ready to ride touring bike so in my opinion, for the right buyer, a bargain. Best of luck with the sale.
ps. ebay sometimes has the 80% off final value fee so worth waiting until that comes around before listing there with a buy it now/best offer button for 30 days. Up to you if want to offer delivery but my experience here for this kind of item, I'd accept cash on collection only as the payment option.
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Hi, I'm trying to sell my Thorn Sterling currently just below your advert. It's a similar design to your Nomad in 858 rather than 969 tubing. It was at £1250 and I had no interest shown. I'd prefer to sell it via this forum rather than resort to eBay or anywhere else. My thinking (which maybe wrong) is that viewers of the forum will be acquainted with the quality of the brand and probably be familiar with the Rohloff gear system. Yesterday I reduced it to £900 and had my first interested email. I don't know the answer to your question. We have quite niche bikes which probably appeal more to older riders, so our market could be smaller. Harley Davidson face an existential problem in that their machines seem to appeal mainly to a generation of riders that are literally dying out, lets hope we're not facing the same problem.
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I am asking an honest question - do you think the price of the Nomad is too high, given that I have stated I am open to offers?
Personally, I'd leave it advertised at that price for a bit longer (a month or two ?), then try reducing the price. But not by too much, a lightly-used Rohloff hub is quite valuable on it's own.
And put it on several sites. The Thorn forum doesn't have a huge following and I suspect that a majority of viewers here already have their bikes, though there is always N+1 to consider.
Proposing shipping (at buyer's cost) would help, this should be slightly easier with the S+S couplings, but it does add the hassle of dismantling and packing.
I would have bought it pre diagnosis for my tour and paid £1500.00 with no concern at all.
If I had seen a second hand S+S Nomad at that price in 2011-2012 before I bought my first Raven Tour I would have been very interested.
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I can really only echo what the others have said, no way is it over priced.
It's a 'tool' of a bike - made for a specific purpose and few bikes can fulfil that roll as well as this one can. I sincerely hope that the 'right' person comes along, buys it and rides away into the sunset.
Please don't keep lowering the price and end up (sort of) giving it away. It's an absolute beauty and at circa £1,500, a complete bargain.
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Yesterday I reduced it to £900 and had my first interested email.
I noticed that and turned the figures over in my head. Had that been advertised when I was looking for another hub I'd have jumped in. Clean hubs rarely sell for under £600 and I'd have been confident of getting more than £300 for the rest.
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Evening to you all,
Apologies for the late replies to you all but I have been away from my computer.
I am truly thankful for the positive response. You have verified my initial exuberance and confidence in the asking price.
You can imagine how my eyes lit up when I saw it there in the garage, yabbering that a clean up and a tickle wouldn’t go amiss.
She queried the tickle part and I said that was without the slap and……
A bit like ‘discovering’ a Mk2 Ford Cortina 1600E in Aubergine in an old persons garage who wants shut of it.
You have all echoed the same thoughts and given me something to go back to the lady - namely that I wasn’t being too exuberant with my pricing.
I did ask you members for opinions on pricing because, albeit you are perhaps prejudiced in favour of Thorn bikes, that wouldn’t rule your head in a fair asking price.
On the other hand, offering it to another forum of Ebay, I will have to explain the virtues of such a machine only to be shouted down’ by the non-believers and pagans who worship solely derailleurs.
Let’s see how it runs and hope that a returning cyclist from a tour has been enlightened to knowing the benefits of owning a Thorn bike.
All the very best to you.
Good night.
Hoot
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Hello
Please can you tell me whether the rims are the CSS version and also does it have the Rohloff splined sprocket fitted?
Would like to come and view the bike (and your Clickstand) within the next few days if possible.
I'm in Doncaster, so not too far away.
Thanks
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Another consideration is that those planning to do a tour during this northern hemisphere summer will have already done their shopping so sellers have to wait patiently until someone planning to make a tour starts looking around for suitable transport.
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Hi Tayo,
The bike is not equipped with CSS rims or a splined sprocket.
However, being upfront, my Raven has CSS rims front and rear, Cinq 5 with Powercharger, Son 28 dynamo, Logo Evo rear carrier, Tara front rack, Ergon 3 cork grips, Thorn Comfort bars and....
a Clickstand :)
If the Nomad didn't fit your spec, my Raven might....and then I would buy the Nomad.
I am available any time you wish except Tuesday 11:00 - 14:00.
Hope this info helps you.
Thank you
Hoot
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Thanks for responding, Hoot.
I've put my thinking cap on.
Would have preferred a CSS rim, but not a deal breaker.
Your Raven sounds interesting. What size is it and what condition would you say it's in?
P.S Do either of the Rohloff hubs have the disc brake mount?
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Hi Hoot
If it’s convenient for both you and your neighbour I would like to view this coming Sunday afternoon. Can I ask that there are the necessary tools for the eccentric bb and the S+S couplings available too, please. I will send you my contact details via private message.
Thanks
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Afternoon Tayo,
Yes Sunday afternoon is fine.
There are disc brake mounts on the Nomad but not the Raven.
There is the spanner for the eccentric bracket and the s/s couplings
The spec for my Raven:-
Raven Tour 530L
Matt Black
Andra CSS rims 32h
Sapim Race black stainless steel spokes
Schwalbe Dureme 2” tyres
SKS black mudguards
42t chainring
19t sprocket
170mm cranks
Shimano A530 double sided pedals
Son dynamo
Edelux black front light
B&M Toplight Plus rear light
Shimano Deore XT brakes and levers
Brooks B17 tan saddle
Thorn Comfort handlebar
Ergon GP/23 cork grips
Cinq 5 Smart power pack
Tubus Evo Logo rear pannier rack
Tubus Tara lowrider front pannier rack
2 x Profile design bottle cages
I will keep my saddle and transfer the the one from the Nomad.
The condition is used but well looked after and not mint as the Nomad is...still a fantastic steed for any long distance haul.
Anymore questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
Regards
Hoot
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Thanks for the info, Hoot.
I've sent a PM requesting your address and contact number.
See you, Sunday.
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Hi Tayo,
Email sent.
Thank you.
Hoot
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Can a ‘normal’ Rohloff with cables coming from the top be directly exchanged with an Exbox Rohloff with cables coming along the chainstay?
Asking this question on behalf of a shattered Hoot who tells me that Danneaux and some of the more experienced Rohloff users will know.
An interesting Q.
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Can a ‘normal’ Rohloff with cables coming from the top be directly exchanged with an Exbox Rohloff with cables coming along the chainstay?
Yes and you can do it yourself if reasonably confident (Or should that be competent)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGNFZjavXcI
This is everything you need apart from the cables:
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hub-spares/rohloff-external-gear-mech-kit-8213/
Is there a reason you'd want to?
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Can a ‘normal’ Rohloff with cables coming from the top be directly exchanged with an Exbox Rohloff with cables coming along the chainstay?
Is there a reason you'd want to?
Thanks for answering.
Hoot proposed that he could swap his wheels for the ones on the Nomad if I really wanted CSS rims.
Should I buy the Nomad I would fit a rear disc brake before the brake track became too worn and have a front CSS rim on the front when the time came. I'd have rear CSS but SJSC only have a 36 hole rim as far as I can see.
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Should I buy the Nomad I would fit a rear disc brake
Is it a disc hub? It doesn't look it in the photos, though I can't be 100%
That's also changeable, by a Rohloff service centre, though it starts to get expensive.
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Should I buy the Nomad I would fit a rear disc brake
Is it a disc hub? It doesn't look it in the photos, though I can't be 100%
Doesn't look like it has does it but Hoot answered in the affirmative when I asked if it had.
Hoping it has as it'll save me the aggro of a having the rim replaced when the time came.
Guess I'll find out on Sunday.
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Hoot proposed that he could swap his wheels for the ones on the Nomad if I really wanted CSS rims.
Should I buy the Nomad I would fit a rear disc brake before the brake track became too worn and have a front CSS rim on the front when the time came. I'd have rear CSS but SJSC only have a 36 hole rim as far as I can see.
Tayo, as a data point -- and only that because it is the result of personal preference -- when I got my 2012 Nomad Mk2, I chose conventional Andra 30 rims rather than the CSS ones because I was concerned the super-hard sidewall surfaces might become polished and in time contribute to poor wet weather breaking. That has proven to be the case for some long-term users who have partially or wholly addressed the problem by switching to different brake pads (i.e. Kool-Stop Salmon) as the rims became "slippy".
I had had a similar experience a couple decades earlier with a particularly hard-coated batch of (Trek) Matrix Titan 2 rims. They were great at first but then did their best to imitate chromed-steel rims and it was scary to sail through stop signs at the bottom of hills with the brake levers hard against the handlebars when it was wet. I was able to salvage them by actually milling off the rim sidewalls using a carbide burr. it was a long and arduous process and I ended up using the short words before I finished. ;D
If your choice is between Andra 30s with or without CSS, I can reassure you I have found the plain rim to be very long-lived even when used in adverse conditions. I have them on my Nomad and my Enduro-Allroad bike and the very similar but slightly wider Andra 40 on my tandem. All have seen heavy use in grit and very poor conditions (i.e. wet desert playa which sticks like wet grinding compound) and they show very little wear even after a decade-plus of use. The Andra is a heavy rim in part because of its thick sidewalls which ensure a long lifespan compared to other plain-sided rims.
So, just something to consider as you ponder your options. In my case, if all other things were equal I'd choose the bike with plain, non-CSS rims.
All the best, Dan (...who is excited to think New Bike Day may be coming soon for you if all proves to meet needs)
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Thanks Danneaux,
Your cycling experience, mechanical knowledge and plain common sense has saved the day.
I was perhaps being too helpful in wanting to help Tayo by swapping all the goodies from my bike to the Nomad. I think I was definitely digging a grave for myself. No need to - something else is doing that for me :)
Truthfully, I wouldn’t like to have ‘butchered’ the bikes for someone else as they are both fine machines in their own right. However, I would have done that for myself to satiate my desire to always achieve the optimum.
Thank you one and all
Hoot
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I think there is a misunderstanding re the rear disc brake question.
The Nomad has 2 x welded lugs that are tapped on the rear chainstay. My Raven hasn't got these.
Rightly or wrongly I have assumed they were mountings for attaching a disc brake. I didn't realise the hub had to be specified for a retro fit disc brake.
Apologies all round if I have unintentionally given misinformation due to ignorance.
Hoot
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I was perhaps being too helpful in wanting to help Tayo by swapping all the goodies from my bike to the Nomad. I think I was definitely digging a grave for myself. No need to - something else is doing that for me :)
Truthfully, I wouldn’t like to have ‘butchered’ the bikes for someone else as they are both fine machines in their own right. However, I would have done that for myself to satiate my desire to always achieve the optimum.
Hoot
No need for any butchering on my behalf, Hoot. That would be an awful lot of unnecessary faffage.
Nothing wrong with Deore hubs but if I were in your position I wouldn't be getting rid of a beautifully engineered Son dynamo hub in exchange for one if I was looking to achieve the optimum.
Looking forward to meeting you tomorrow.
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So, just something to consider as you ponder your options. In my case, if all other things were equal I'd choose the bike with plain, non-CSS rims.
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I am a CSS fan, my CSS rims have a braking surface that is slightly polished, but I still have good braking. My original Koolstop CSS pads are worn down to the point that I would replace them before I go on a trip.
If I was the one shopping and had the CSS option, I would take that option.
That said, I have run tires that range from 40mm to 57mm width on my Nomad. And for that, an ideal rim inner width would be around 22 to 24 mm and the Andra is narrower than that at 19mm.
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Hi Hoot,
Did you sold your Mk2 ?
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Hi Jul,
It is still for sale, mon ami.
Regards
Hoot
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Hoot,
I'm trying to reach you for a couple of days. Sent you both an email and a message via the forum. Did you get them?
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Ho flocsy,
I haven’t received any communication at all and I have been visiting this forum almost every day..
Here is my email address for direct contact :-
iangranary@gmail.com
Thanks for your perseverance
Hoot
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Hi flocsy,
PM sent.
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Hi Everyone,
The Nomad is now sold and full payment received - awaiting collection.
Thank you to all the forum members in giving their positive thoughts and opinions - it was appreciated in helping me to maintain the stance of what the bike was worth.
Just got to sell my Raven Tour now and I'm not looking forward to that.
Take care y'all and best regards.
Hoot
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Thanks for the lot of help for Hoot, and of course can't wait to collect the bike next week and ride away on it.
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Sent you a message 😊
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Hello Inbred,
My apologies for the late reply but I was completely unaware of on any correspondence from you.
Fortunately, a very good friend from the forum alerted me to your enquiry...however, I cannot find tour PM in my message box.
Please find following my e-mail address so that you can contact me directly - if you so wish.
iangranary@gmail.com
I hope you find this acceptable.
Thank you.
Hoot