I only have one so if I'm doing a large shop I pair it with a Super C rear pannier which I also have (my husband and I share a pair). It doesn't hold as much but I like the rear pocket for holding my wallet, keys and specs.Yeah I use one rear pocket for phone wallet keys etc and the other one has the dogs used pooh bags in. Need to consider the latter. Although the mesh side pocket will make them more visible. Often forget to take them out.
£140 a pair, good grief, I'd want a lifetimes shopping delivered for that.£112.98 delivered from sjs. I have pair of the small carradice carradrys which are the equivalents to the ortliebs and if you talking about wiping the inside clean then they are no better than the cotton duck. They will of course last a lifetime unlike the ortliebs. By the way how much are the ortilebs?
I'm lucky that I get to walk to most of the shops I use, when I ride to the farm shop I like to put the fruit and veg straight into the bag to save on disposable packaging, IMO the wipe clean Ortliebs are better for this.
SD what about Carradice longflap ,a fella would get half the supermarket in one of those bags. ;)Never tried a saddle bag put off due to lights on seat post.
sorry not much help ,my wife does all the shopping in the car .
she wont allow me to go shopping with her i can't for the life of me figure out why. ::)
anto.
there pretty good i have barley and longflap ,the longflap is very good barley to small.Bought 2 see above. From good old sjs. Worked out at £56.50 each. EBay second £55.50 rarely available on eBay. I will have them full of sticks/ firewood same day they arrive.
anyway if your set on the shopper go for it.
anto.
I have products from Carradice, Ortlieb and Vaude, so no brand loyalty from me. Neither am I one to critisise the way anyone spends their money, their choices will be based on criteria likely different to mine But I can't imagine anyone who's cleaned muck out of the smooth plastic Ortliebs and the woven fabric Carradice would consider it comparable.£140 a pair, good grief, I'd want a lifetimes shopping delivered for that.£112.98 delivered from sjs. I have pair of the small carradice carradrys which are the equivalents to the ortliebs and if you talking about wiping the inside clean then they are no better than the cotton duck.
I'm lucky that I get to walk to most of the shops I use, when I ride to the farm shop I like to put the fruit and veg straight into the bag to save on disposable packaging, IMO the wipe clean Ortliebs are better for this.
They will of course last a lifetime unlike the ortliebs.The Ortiebs in the picture of my bike in another thread are 19 years old and show no signs that they won't outlast me. They've needed a couple of repairs as have my Carradice saddlebags.
By the way how much are the ortilebs?The comparable ones are probably the City Rollers, list price £85 a pair and usually findable around £70
The royal mail ones look like a pile of shiteBeauty is in the eye of the holder, the quality shouldn't be in dispute they were made by Carradice! They're on a motorbike because that's what they were intended for, as I said they need some modification to fit most racks, but for £20... The bike version were a bit dearer (Though part of that was a charity donation) and appear to be sold out
As they are generally long distance tourer and may have used their panniers more than you.and they may not, you have absolutely no idea how much use my panniers have had.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4662/38707363580_435ac1bfde_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21YrmDA)Cello (https://flic.kr/p/21YrmDA) by Paul (https://www.flickr.com/photos/phbike/), on Flickr
SD, PH; Gentlemen,Dan, I don't believe there is anything I have written that could be construed as a personal attack and am offended by your comment that it could. I suggest you withdraw it or show an example of anything that has not been on the subject or in any way breaches the forum guidelines.
Time to take the tenor of your comments on luggage down a notch as they are coming close to personal attacks on each other rather than a discussion of panniers and their merits.
Best,
Dan.
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"I spent a week in Amsterdam last month, where shopping by bike is considered far more normal than here in the UK. Out of the many bikes I saw carrying shopping I doubt one of them had expensive panniers, indeed it was more common to see people carrying musical instruments"
So in Amsterdam they are more likely to be transporting musical instruments by bike than shopping?
;D ;D ;D could be worse you could have no bread or milk and all the feckin shops are closed because of this beast from the east.Two chest freezers large one for me medium for the dog. Also an under counter one which you can't open if electric goes off. I use long life milk for tea and smoothies (I keep well stocked up) and the pasturised full fat milk from the milkman for coffee.....he has let me down! Alas no potatoes.
anto.
No she meant there were more people carrying musical instruments than shopping, as she didn't think anyone used expensive panniers Or to be more precise that's what she wrote. Anyway I used a question mark."I spent a week in Amsterdam last month, where shopping by bike is considered far more normal than here in the UK. Out of the many bikes I saw carrying shopping I doubt one of them had expensive panniers, indeed it was more common to see people carrying musical instruments"
So in Amsterdam they are more likely to be transporting musical instruments by bike than shopping?
Oh, I thought PH meant, "you are more likely to see people carrying musical instruments than using expensive panniers to carry shopping." :)
"You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to", love it, class, as anto'd say. Lol.
I put my Shopper bag on my Nomad today and rode out to fetch some root beer - a dozen 12 oz bottles and then a big bag of coffee beans that had a good price. Maybe 15 pounds hanging off one side of the bike, so a significant imbalance. I like to ride no hands a bit out on the country roads, to stretch my shoulders and get the blood moving around. I found it pretty much as easy with the loaded Shopper as without. Bicycle dynamics is quite a mystery!the same except for mounting and unmounting. I am thinking about a step through to deal with that. I find the front wheel goes up if I am heavily laden at the rear.
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No she meant there were more people carrying musical instruments than shopping, as she didn't think anyone used expensive panniers Or to be more precise that's what she wrote. Anyway I used a question mark."I spent a week in Amsterdam last month, where shopping by bike is considered far more normal than here in the UK. Out of the many bikes I saw carrying shopping I doubt one of them had expensive panniers, indeed it was more common to see people carrying musical instruments"
So in Amsterdam they are more likely to be transporting musical instruments by bike than shopping?
Oh, I thought PH meant, "you are more likely to see people carrying musical instruments than using expensive panniers to carry shopping." :)
"You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to", love it, class, as anto'd say. Lol.
It was exactly because of your use of a question mark, that I wrote what I had comprehended - rightly or wrongly - from what he, PH, wrote.Well rightly, I'm surprised anyone could misread that sentence. Though being misunderstood is a minor problem compared to having my gender changed :o :o
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carriers-racks/black-surly-nice-20-cro-mo-front-rack/Got it (the Surly) fancied the Blackburn but looks like it uses the skewer to attach the rack. https://winstanleysbikes.co.uk/accessories/luggage/pannier-racks/surly-nice-rack-v2-front-pannier-rack