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il padrone

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Crossing the ford
« on: December 11, 2013, 07:38:09 am »


A photo that a friend posted from his tour around Australia about 12 years ago brought up a question about using the Rohloff and Schmidt hubs. This was on the roads of Cape York, where bridges are few and far between, and rivers have Saltwater Crocodiles to nibble on your toes.

My frind rode through, as you can see, across 100-200m river fords. Now I know the SON28 and the Rohloff have breather holes and putting them underwater is a real 'no-no'. But what do other expedition tourers do when they face such a crossing, that may turn out to be over axle-deep? It's handy if there's a 4WD or truck about to ferry you, but what if you're there on your own? Do you take bags off and walk all gear, carrying the bike (bearing in mind that this places you on foot, in the croc's environment as food, for a much longer time), can you block up the hub to temporarily seal the axle breather, or do you ride it anyway. I guess the other option is to run a different, non-SON front hub, but there's still the Rohloff.

Curious, as my long-term touring plans include a round-Australia tour sometime, including Cape York and the Kimberley.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2013, 07:40:21 am by il padrone »

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 08:36:00 am »
Well, Pete, when faced with such crossings, I remove the bags, portage (carry) the bike, then return for the bags and reassemble the lot on the far side. It really isn't that much work compared to the alternative.

Bike bearings are not made for true immersion; even less so in a current or while working underwater, and I can't see drastically increasing wear for such short-term convenience -- especially in the field, where it is not so convenient to do an immediate overhaul.

Still, it seems to be ever more popular to "swim" one's bike and capture it in photos, judging by the increasing number I see posted online.

My two cents' worth, adjusted for inflation.

Best,

Dan.

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 08:54:53 am »
Hi well I can say Not like This

http://youtu.be/GdtpsG--V3I

Happy Watching  ;D

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2013, 09:12:28 am »
Crossings like the Pentecost River are the issue. It's a long way across and portaging will require up to five crossings - carry bike, return, carry some panniers, return, carry rest of baggage.





And there are Salties lurking in there





And don't do it like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXXNB7IIyxY
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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2013, 09:32:34 am »
Yikes.....

I'm staying home.

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2013, 09:45:26 am »
Think that's the Mary River in NT. The crocs are huge there but this looks a bit photocroced!

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2013, 09:49:29 am »
Hi well I can say Not like This

http://youtu.be/GdtpsG--V3I

He didn't give the crocodiles much of a chance.

Il Padrone: I don't think sealing the breather holes will be enough, on the Rohloff at least. Maybe on the SON, but I won't be paying for carriage to Germany, labour, parts, carriage back to Oz, when you need new bearings.

On the Rohloff the breather hole is the very least of your worries. What you have to consider is that the so-called "seals" to the sides are seals only by engineering courtesy. Proper seals, as we think of them from automobile practice, scaled and designed to keep out water, would make Rohloff atrociously heavy, quite unusable in a bicycle. Instead, that pre-eminent weight weenie (truly, he doesn't get enough credit for it) Bernd Rohloff designed his superior hub gearbox with seals, some of them paper, only good enough to keep dust out of the gearbox. Water would just flow in.

Whether the water would do as much damage as Dan fears is another matter. See, Herr Rohloff also designed his gearbox to survive abuse by the non-maintenance of circumstances in the back of beyond (or by careless idiots, of which there seem remarkably few in the Rohloff world), so all the necessary lubrication sticks to the gears and shafts themselves. I suspect -- on zero evidence*, and I'm not offering my beloved box as a guinea pig -- that your gearbox will come to no harm if you were to leave off changing the oil until you camp that night. But I don't know that I would leave it overnight. It is a fallacy that oil is insoluble in water; it depends on various oxidization processes. (See for instance the painting at http://www.sketching.cc/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2163&start=30#p18689
which I made with water-miscible oil paints and water-soluble oil painting medium.)

*** Not quite zero evidence. On two occasions in the harvest season on narrow lanes hereabouts I've ridden into the ditch to escape thundering industrial tractors fully the width of the lane. On each occasion I changed the oil within the hour, and on neither occasion was there any evidence of water inside the box. You'd see it because you'd get more out than the 10ml or so that you usually get out, and there would floating water; I saw neither. But these were immersions of seconds while a tractor and trailer or a huge bailer passed, not several minutes to cover a good bit of water further agitated by the turning wheel. Also, I don't keep my bike or the Rohloff box in the sparkling condition demonstrated by the photos of many posters here. There's a bit of buildup of oil and crud as the hub breathes out a little excess oil, which I wipe off once a year at the annual oil change; it's not much grease but even a thin film would resist water until it is beaded enough for water to flow. So that by itself could be enough to delay water flowing into the hub for a few seconds.

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2013, 09:55:49 am »
Yikes.....

I'm staying home.

Don't be so limp. It is a nasty, untrue libel that 20 out of 20 of the most venomous animals on earth live in the Australian outback. It is, in fact, only 19; the 20th, the red back spider, prefers to live in town, under toilet seats.

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2013, 10:13:07 am »
Even worse than crocodiles, coming into summer and the beach life, lots of people worry a lot about sharks.

 ;)



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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2013, 10:31:06 am »
Those sharks are slacking off.

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2013, 12:29:52 pm »
Those facts really kill me! 8)

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2013, 01:42:49 pm »
Don't be so limp. It is a nasty, untrue libel that 20 out of 20 of the most venomous animals on earth live in the Australian outback. It is, in fact, only 19; the 20th, the red back spider, prefers to live in town, under toilet seats.

Actually the red-back is not terribly deadly. Nasty and very painful, but few people die from it. The real nasties live in  the seas - the sea wasp (box jellyfish), the irukandji (tiny and extremely venomous jellyfish), the stonefish, and the cloth of gold, or textile cone shell. Molluscs are quite nasty - don't go getting too close to a large octopus or a cuttlefish, they can cut your arm off with their beak  ::)

And then Steve Irwin found out all about the humble stingray.



Anyway, getting back OT, is there anyone who's toured on backtracks requiring fording of larger rivers using a Rohloff and/or SON28 hub? How have you dealt with this? I guess the northern Australian rivers are a bit critical because of the croc hazard, but many rivers in Sth America or Africa may be equally hazardous.
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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2013, 09:30:11 am »
Hi so to the point the best way to cross any deep water is to Stop unload and Carry your Bike and Gear across the water.

Riding across any water that is Deeper then your Hub's is Not good to you Bike or it's Bearings!

(It's good for any bicycle shop, we are always replacing Hub and BB bearings after the owner has riding across rivers ETC!)

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2013, 11:10:48 am »
Perhaps you could carry an inflatable dinghy.  ;)

And the Sharks have claimed two lives in Australia in recent weeks, which means they are obviously under represented elsewhere if the average of 5 fatalities per annum is on a global basis...

Cheers,

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Re: Crossing the ford
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2013, 12:11:51 pm »
Apparently Australia's average shark-attack fatality for the 10 years to 2012 has been 2 per annum. 192 in the past 200 years.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2012/07/16/timeline-shark-attacks-australia