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Thorn serials registry -- good, bad, or even possible?
JimK:
It's a bit like the black vs yellow choice in Nomads. Try to be invisible or try to stand out.
My decision point seems to have passed long ago. It'd be difficult to be more visible than I have made myself!
Andybg:
My personal view is that it would be a good idea. Not only will it give a date stamped record of bike ownership it would be a very interesting source of seeing who rides what and how they have it set up. Maybe to make it of more value maybe we should try and include a few more details like frame size, height of rider, tyre choice etc.
I know it would take longer for each entry but would be a very good resourse in one area.
As people dont have their adresses up here I dont think it really would be at all that helpfull as a resourse for possible theifs.
Andy
ianshearin:
Gets my vote, sounds like a great idea.
It would have to be on the premise that it is a enthusiasts registration, so not a definitive list of official owners.
A thief for instance could register on here and then register a stolen bikes details and then use the site to convince a buyer the bike is genuine.
IanW:
Hi all,
The idea gets my vote too. This forum is a definite and obvious point of reference to enquire about the provenance of an apparently secondhand *Thorn* cycle.
But I have a few questions/observations:
1) How does this idea handle the case where *one* forum user owns *more than one* Thorn cycle?
(I.e. it would be daft to have to "invent" a second forum identity to simply register a second Thorn cycle)
2) Does the security of access to this data adequately prevent someone looking up details of currently legitimately owned Thorn cycles, *not* to target a theft, but to clone the existing identity onto another stolen Thorn cycle? (And purport to be the reputed owner on this forum thus giving the sale legitimacy?)
I.e. does anyone and everyone on this forum get *browse* access to the data?
Or are they only allowed to make a specific previous owner(s) enquiry when they specify a specific serial number
3) How about, in addition to Dan's already excellent suggested data, for each registered cycle, including:
a) An (approximate) date of purchase
b) Type of transaction (e.g. "bought new from Thorn" or "bought s/hand [from xxxx]")
c) Thorn frame size code
d) Date of sale or onwards transfer to new owner *to be filled in only when cycle is sold/transferred*
e) Date of disappearance/theft *to be used in the very unfortunate event thereof*
f) Last known location *to be filled in only in the event of theft*
4) My Thorn cycle is also tagged with some additional "security" identifiers (Datatag)
and there are plenty of other cycle registration schemes out there.
So it might be useful to record multiple of these alongside the Thorn cycle ownership record
Finally, and people may have mixed views either way with this one:
5) The ability to lodge a photo of owner and cycle in with the "ownership record"
Such a photo is then ideal to print and submit to the police in the event of theft,
along with all the other bicycle identification information all taken from this ownership record.
Just my 2p-worth
Ian
Andybg:
Some good points there Ian and some questions that need answering before we go ahead with the idea. My thoughts would be:
1) How does this idea handle the case where *one* forum user owns *more than one* Thorn cycle?
(I.e. it would be daft to have to "invent" a second forum identity to simply register a second Thorn cycle)
I am thinking that Dan's idea was just to have it as onother forum topic so you could either put all your bikes under one post or have a single post per bike.
2) Does the security of access to this data adequately prevent someone looking up details of currently legitimately owned Thorn cycles, *not* to target a theft, but to clone the existing identity onto another stolen Thorn cycle? (And purport to be the reputed owner on this forum thus giving the sale legitimacy?)
I.e. does anyone and everyone on this forum get *browse* access to the data?
Or are they only allowed to make a specific previous owner(s) enquiry when they specify a specific serial number
I think that everyone would have access to the data both friend and foe. I think the only use of the forum in helping people not buy stolen Thorns would be to people who use the forum and would be able to find the bike on the forum and contact the member and say "is it you selling this bike?"
How about, in addition to Dan's already excellent suggested data, for each registered cycle, including:
a) An (approximate) date of purchase
b) Type of transaction (e.g. "bought new from Thorn" or "bought s/hand [from xxxx]")
c) Thorn frame size code
d) Date of sale or onwards transfer to new owner *to be filled in only when cycle is sold/transferred*
e) Date of disappearance/theft *to be used in the very unfortunate event thereof*
f) Last known location *to be filled in only in the event of theft*
I think there is an endless list of information that could be added or not dependant on the forum members choice so the more the merrier in terms of details is my thoughts but still based on one post per bike and keeping it to bike registration posts only.
4) My Thorn cycle is also tagged with some additional "security" identifiers (Datatag)
and there are plenty of other cycle registration schemes out there.
So it might be useful to record multiple of these alongside the Thorn cycle ownership record
Same as above
5) The ability to lodge a photo of owner and cycle in with the "ownership record"
Such a photo is then ideal to print and submit to the police in the event of theft,
along with all the other bicycle identification information all taken from this ownership record.
I think picture of bikes are very helpfull and the picture of the bike with owner sure makes it difficult for a theif to pretend to be you
Thers my thoughts for what its worth...
And dont forget we will need some STOP THEIF - This bike is Thorn Forum Registered -LOL
Andy
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