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Carradice vs Ortlieb for new Nomad
bobs:
Ortlieb every time.
Pavel:
--- Quote from: Danneaux on January 15, 2018, 09:21:16 pm ---Of further note:
I prefer the Ortlieb drawstring and cap-top design for several reasons that might not be obvious:
1) The drawstring closure is easy to replace and won't jam like zippers or freeze shut as metal snaps can do on some other brands of bags.
2) The drawstring closure serves to vertically compress the contents, yet allows the bags to open as wide as possible when needed to carry short-term overloads in bulk -- i.e. food before you can strip it of its excess packaging.
3) The cap-tops serve as extra pockets with waterproof covers that allow very quick access without having to open the main compartments and dig inside. For example, I carry items in stuff sacks under the four bags' covers: Rain kit (jacket, hood, hat, pants, gloves, booties), medium weight fleece pullover, folding chair, wind-faced wool long-sleeved jersey.
4) All the bags include a zippered inner envelope pocket. There is an full length envelope back to this pocket and a zippered mesh outer compartment to the same envelope. I load my bags with these envelope pockets held up by one hand. Once the bag contents are loaded, I then put things in these envelopes and fold them in half so they lay atop the load, just under the dust cover beneath the drawstring. This allows easy access by simply flipping the cap-top and undoing the cordlock on the drawstring. If the envelope pockets are left to lay flush against the stiffener, then it is extremely difficult to access the contents once the bags are loaded.
5) When I have been in need of extra water, I have had no problems securely carrying an extra 1-1.5l bottle under each cap-top strap set. Very handy.
Used in this way, each bag has four compartments (main, cap-top, inner envelope, outer zippered envelope) for easy organization and access. A fifth means for carrying stuff is at the sides of the bags, under the cap-top straps (you simply need to resize them to the load).
Hope this helps.
Best,
Dan.
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Dan, on the Super C ... there is a drawstring closure just the same as on the Orliebs.
mickeg:
I am not sure what the Roller Plus model is like. I have the Frontrollers and Backrollers, classic version. Mine are about 8 or 9 years old, I think that some of the mounting hardware may have changed since then.
I do not have the extra upper hooks that Dan cited, but I think I have some extra lower hooks somewhere. I have heard that in a crash the lower hooks can break, but I have not crashed and suffered no breakage.
I use them on Tubus Logo rear rack, I have a couple different front racks depending on which bike I am using.
The Tubus racks I think use 10mm tubing. I bought some clear plastic tubing that I slit lengthwise and put over the tubing where my upper hooks attach and also on some of the other tubing to prevent it from chaffing. And electrical tape to keep that plastic tubing on the racks. I am in USA, we use inches here, the tubing was 3/8 inch inside diameter, 1/2 inch outside diameter. And I did not use the Ortlieb inserts in the upper hooks, the plastic tubing with a little bit of tape fit perfect. See photo.
You can expect to wear some paint off your rack, I use black fingernail polish. Convenient small bottle with brush built into the cap, dries fast and is reasonably durable. The convenience is the important part, you will not touch up the paint often if it is not convenient. But I do not take it on a tour with me, touch things up when I get home.
There are some big fans of the Carradice bags too, I just can't comment on them. I bought some of the Carradry ones, I think the Ortliebs are better.
Second photo, I also have the Ortlieb 31 liter duffel which I think they call the rack pack. But I only need this extra bag on a trip with a heavy load.
ADDENDUM:
In the second photo, I like to strap my rain gear on the tops of the front rollers. That way I can get my rain gear really fast and I do not need to dig into a pannier to get it out. And being up front where I can see it, I would see if it started to come loose.
I have a kickstand on my Nomad, but Thorn frowns on that so I am not suggesting that you use one like I did in the photo.
Danneaux:
--- Quote ---...- inability to repair tears. I'd not had this happen, but have read of it enough where I think it could be a major pita in an expedition sort of setting. If the ortliebs tear or rip, and they can, then they have to be duc-taped and prayed over so as to hold out to the next bit of civilization. They then have to be replaced. No waxed needle and thread on the road repairs possible - as is the case with Carradice Canvas...
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I have quickly and easily repaired mine to full waterproofness and strength on the road (well, in my tent) and the repairs have held well and are nearly invisible after 4.5 years of further use. The trick is in technique and materials, but I take the materials (primarily Tear-Aid on the inside and a tube of Seam Grip and some pre-cut fabric patches on the outside) with me and have had no problems. The trick is matching the proper Tear-Aid formula to the particular Ortlieb material used.
The damage in the photo below was caused in one harrowing moment in Croatia. I was crossing a bridge with a loaded bus approaching from behind. Moments before he reached me, an oncoming car decided to pass another, leaving the bus no alternative but to dive for the shoulder where I happened to be at the moment. I'd have done the same, putting the lives of a busload of people ahead of a lone cyclist. I put a hand up against the side of the bus to avoid getting sucked under and the friction blistered all my fingertips and left clean tracks the length of the bus. The bottom of the right pannier was low enough on its rack to scrape on the rough concrete bridge curbing, wearing holes through the bottom as I struggled to stay upright. It was all over in a moment and thankfully with a good outcome, but I was left with a number of holes in the bottom of the bag. I made my repairs later and they've been holding since with complete waterproofness and reliability.
All the best,
Dan.
mickeg:
I got a slit in a Frontloader about five years ago, glued on a patch but I do not recall what I used for glue.
The comments above about putting damp stuff into Ortiebs is a valid concern. If I did some sink laundry the day before and clothing not yet dry, I do not like to put it into an Ortlieb, instead often will strap it outside somewhere. On some trips I have carried a small mesh bag for that purpose.
Tents are always damp when you take them down in the morning. I stuff my tent into the front right pannier, use the pannier as a stuff sack. Then put some other stuff in there that I don't mind if it gets damp, like an air mattress and a few other things. It is not a great idea to put dry stuff in the same Ortlieb as your wet stuff.
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