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Re: Don't buy an eBike
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2018, 12:42:04 AM »
Oooh, I hope so😃
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Dave Whittle Thorn Workshop

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Re: Don't buy an eBike
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2018, 09:06:01 AM »
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sooner or later sjs will have a simple conversion for all of us thorn  users who wan to go electric  ;)
and at a price we can afford.

Never say never but I cant see it, to conform to the regulations it has to be pedal assist, have a max speed of 25mph and every component of said electric vehicle MUST meet EN 15194 (vs ISO 4210-2) for EPAC (25km/h e-bike), whilst most bike components probably do, its a matter of checking with the manufacturer for every component on the bike that it does, some modern components will have test reports, other stuff wont.

But why does any of that matter I hear you ask? Well from our point of view insurance, if we make something that doesn't conform we've effectively created an electric moped out of type approval, further to that by handing it to a customer we could fall foul of cause and permit regulations (causing another person to ride an unregistered, uninsured vehicle - an absolute legal offence).

I've seen bikes converted (sadly some of ours) where the customer has signed a deceleration that the bike is now only for use on PRIVATE land... i'm not sure the customer understands the implications of this certainly the ones I've talked to didn't... I very much doubt any of these disclaimers have been written with enough legal understanding that they would stand up in court.

Think that you wont get caught? Your more than likely not to, the Police don't have the time or resources to check, well except if your involved in an incident such as this:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/14/e-bike-crash-death-prompts-debate-over-safety-on-uk-roads

Even a proper Pedelec bike could be take out of type approval just by radically changing the tyre size.

25kph Pedlec's enjoy a very privileged place in law they are treated exactly like a normal bike.

Just to be clear though, i'm not saying anything as rash as all ebike retrofit kits are illegal, just you have to be very careful when fitting them.

As a side note all the kits we've tried don't react quick enough to unloading the pedals for a Rohloff hub to shift smoothly. Of the dedicated pedlec's we have tried only Bosch Yamaha and Brose do.




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Re: Don't buy an eBike
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2018, 05:06:17 AM »
Another thing to consider is that a nice low step through makes life much easier as one grows older.
A bloke that I used to ride with now deceased bought a "sporty" DF ebike and found as he became more infirm that he could not get his leg over the topbar.

There are a number of people posting ebike tours on Cycleblaze and even the CrazyGuy has created an ebike ghetto on part of his site.

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Re: Don't buy an eBike
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2018, 08:45:52 AM »
Another thing to consider is that a nice low step through makes life much easier as one grows older.

Yes.

Two of the family bikes have step through frames, my wife's Thorn Raven Step Through and her previous bike, now used as the "small" visitor bike at our island flat. The latter has a very low stepover height and can be used by people that couldn't manage the previous small visitor bike with its twin-lateral frame.

As its resale value is negligible I kept the twin-lateral frame bike and took it back to our home on the continent. It now gets occasional use by my wife when she doesn't want to leave the more valuable Thorn locked up in town. Twin-lateral is not really step-through but still easier than a diamond frame.

All these bikes have rather small frames, but with suitable stems I can set them up to be comfortable for me, they already have long enough seat posts.

We also have our Brompton folding bikes, so I won't be stuck if one day I can no longer get my leg over the top tube on my other bikes.

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Re: Don't buy an eBike
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2018, 04:10:15 PM »
Rode up a big hill today with a guy on an Orbea. The motor seemed to be in the rear hub. Otherwise it looked like a standard drop bar bike. He was older and had a stroke earlier in the year so this set up allowed him to get back into cycling. He only used the boost on the steepest sections of the hills. Looked good to me.