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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Rationalising touring equipment
« Last post by martinf on March 17, 2024, 11:02:52 pm »
Two pumps, do I need two? Three spare tubes?

Two pumps might be a good idea if crossing an uninhabited desert. But IMO overkill anywhere I have been.

It is already unlikely that I will break a pump and have a puncture at the same time, and even with Presta valves I reckon I could find a compatible pump fairly quickly, in most European settlements there is probably someone with a road bike.

I do take two spare tubes if doing a very long trip with a Brompton, as 16" isn't all that common and Brompton tyres puncture more often than full-size.

For large-wheel bikes I take only 1 spare inner tube, it's the same reasoning as for the pump, I reckon it is unlikely to have a puncture and destroy both the spare inner tube and the original before going close to a town where I could get a spare. 26" is still reasonably common, even my local supermarket has them, and I expect 27.5" would do if there was nothing else. Most of my rims are drilled for Schrader valves, l use adapters and Presta valves but could easily revert to Schrader if necessary.

For clothing I take stuff I can layer, and wash frequently rather than taking a lot of changes. It is less easy in winter if camping, but even in bad weather it justs needs a stopover in a hostel or hotel every few days. 

So far I don't take any sophisticated electrical equipment on cycle tours. I have an old dumbphone from 2005 that is quite small and lasts for a month of careful use if I take one spare battery (lighter than the charger). On the two occasions that I needed Internet access on tour I used a computer in a hostel and a shop that let me use a computer for a small fee.

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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Rationalising touring equipment
« Last post by Andyb1 on March 17, 2024, 08:13:26 pm »
Two pumps?   If you fit Schrader valves instead of presta then someone else always has a car pump.
Take old worn clothes  shoes you can throw.   And buy new as you travel.
A bungee net works well instead of individual bungees / straps and 4m of thin rope weighs nothing but can do multiple jobs from being a washing line to tieing bits back on.
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Rationalising touring equipment
« Last post by WorldTourer on March 17, 2024, 08:02:23 pm »
People are packing a lot less on the road these days, and famous expedition tourers from a decade-plus ago who remained active, like the Pikes or Pete Gostelow, completely overhauled their packing approach. It comes down to basically three things:

1) The bikepacking revolution. Once some cyclists started using only frame bags and had no racks or panniers, they obviously could only bring along what would fit in that limited space. Even when panniers are (sometimes) coming back in fashion, bikepackers might choose micro panniers like Revelate Design’s Nano Panniers or use the Ortlieb Gravel-Pack instead of the old-school Ortlieb Back Rollers.

2) No more laptops. People who want to blog on tour or keep in touch with back home, just use their phone for that.

3) The development of ultralight gear. From water filters to cooksets, the popular high-end outdoor equipment for bicycle travel not only weighs less these days, it also takes up less space.

What do you pack batteries for? My Garmin GPS is my only remaining item that takes traditional batteries.

As for tea, I just buy 100 g of tea and carry along a tea ball; I used to take metal tea balls, but kept accidentally leaving them behind after hanging them to dry. I just got a very colourful silicone tea filter that hopefully will always catch my eye.
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Non-Thorn Related / Rationalising touring equipment
« Last post by in4 on March 17, 2024, 04:56:49 pm »
Whilst in the bike shed and having a bit of a tidy-up I was thinking about how much ‘stuff’ I carried last year. I like to think I prepare well before heading out and hope to cover most hiccups by doing so. That said I wonder if I’ve hit the overkill/ too much button. Two pumps, do I need two? Three spare tubes? Bungee cords and straps? Pocket multi-tool, penknife with tools on, another set (like Andy Bs in the mega brochure) Tea bags by the score, batteries, tent pole repair kit and so on. Then there’s clothes!
Of course much of what we carry is based upon experience and where and when we intend to ride.
You don’t need a 4 season tent in Thailand but you sure need good cold weather gear in Scotland.

Putting it out there for others to share what their ‘must haves’ are together with the stuff they’ve happily jettisoned or left at home. Apart from teabags, that would be sacrilegious act  in the extreme.
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Wheels, Tyres and Brakes / Re: Spokes
« Last post by B cereus on March 17, 2024, 09:06:02 am »
Given the inherent shortcomings of non forged hub shells it makes sense to minimise damage around the spoke holes. This is the rational behind Rohloff's recommendations regarding spoke diameter and elbow length. A 1X heads out build also has advantages in this respect, SJS obviously think so and are prepared to back their judgement by honouring any  warranty claims. I guess the jury is still out on this.

PH has pointed out the better spoke line at the hub of inbound spokes but this will only be the case if the spokes are chosen carefully. If the spoke doesn't easily take a straight line from the elbow to the rim its likely that any advantage of less damage to the hub flange might be at the expense of increased spoke breakage at the elbow.  A trial fitting of a spoke to the hub should confirm whether spokes are suitable. With regard to spoke line at the flange, it occurs to me that another advantage of having all spokes inbound is that it removes the process of  adjusting the spoke line of outbound spokes. This can be quite brutal and risks damaging the hub flange, depending on the method chosen.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Sent my Rohloff in!
« Last post by mickeg on March 17, 2024, 01:22:08 am »
.... There is only a single Rohloff distributor for the entire continent of Africa, Bruce Reyneke Cycles in Pretoria, South Africa. Recently on the Cairo to Cape Town WhatsApp group, a cyclist was asking about where he could find Rohloff oil, and when he contacted Bruce Reyneke, he was told that the shop hasn’t received any new Rohloff oil since Covid!

I have bought a lot of parts from Europe and UK on the internet for shipment to USA at a much lower cost than I would have to pay if I had bought through normal retail channels in USA, the sole distributor business can really push the prices up. 

When I built my titanium touring bike, in addition to the company that I bought the frame from, I placed three large orders for parts from (1) SJS, a (2) a German internet seller, and (3) Amazon in USA.  That was before Shimano told all sellers outside of USA to stop selling to USA, now if I want to buy new Shimano parts (or anything Ortlieb), I have to pay much more from a USA seller.

I bought my Ortlieb panniers and rack top bag about 15 years ago from UK sellers.  With the higher shipping cost from Europe, I still paid a lot less than I would have if I bought them in USA.  Soon after that Ortlieb told all sellers outside USA to stop selling to USA.

And of course, my Nomad Mk II frame and fork from the UK.
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Schwalbe Marathon Plus
« Last post by martinf on March 16, 2024, 10:15:39 pm »
I haven't used those, or the Marathon XR they replaced.  They have a huge reputation for longevity, but I've always wondered at what cost.  Is it just weight?  Or have they sacrificed anything else in order to be so hard wearing?

Apart from the weight, which to me, excluding lightweight tyres like the Supreme, doesn't seem particularly high, the cost is rolling resistance on tarmac. At least in the Marathon Mondial EVO version that I know.

As with some other long-lasting tyres there might also be a penalty in wet grip, but I have not noticed any problems with that and there is a lot of rain in winter here in South Brittany. Perhaps I am just more cautious than riders who have problems with tyre grip.

In the 2024 downloadable catalogue Schwalbe rate the characteristics of Marathon Plus (MP) and Mondial Evo version (M), both in the 50x559 size, as follows, for all the figures (except weight!), high is better:

Puncture resistance          MP = 7, M = 6
Rolling resistance              MP = 3.5, M = 4
Road grip                          MP = 4, M = 5
Off road grip                     MP = 2.5, M = 4
Durability                          MP = 6, M = 6
Weight                             MP = 1100g, M = 740g

The results are a bit different according to the independant bicyclerollingresistance.com site. For the Marathon Mondial EVO version they tested (37-622 Evo), puncture resistance is a bit less than Marathon Plus in the same size (108 as compared to 129), rolling resistance slightly higher (26.7 as compared to 25.5), weight much less (570g as compared to 900).

Subjectively, I reckon the Marathon Mondial EVO in the 55-559 size I have used most rolls slightly better than the 50-559 Marathon Plus that I have also used fairly extensively. But this might be psychological due to the better acceleration with a significantly lighter tyre. They also seem more comfortable, but that might be due to me using the 55 mm width rather than 50 mm, although due to the thickness of the puncture protection layer there is less air (cushioning) in a Marathon Plus even in the same size.

Marathon Plus always feel a bit "dead" to me, although this feels less pronounced in a wide 50x559 size. I had Marathon Plus 28x622 on a pair of visitor bikes and in that size the tyres felt really awful.

IMO Marathon Mondial scores over Marathon Plus for a mix of tarmac and moderate off-road use, while remaining not as good as a dedicated MTB tyre for 100% off-road use.

For use predominantly on tarmac, I prefer a lightweight tyre like the discontinued Marathon Supreme (there are similar tyres still available in 26" in the Continental range).

If puncture protection is the absolute priority, in the 26" size on tarmac I reckon Marathon Plus is the way to go, at the expensive of mediocre rolling resistance and more weight than something like the Supreme or even the ordinary Marathon.

 
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Sent my Rohloff in!
« Last post by WorldTourer on March 16, 2024, 09:27:38 pm »
If now Rohloff has a single distributor in USA, that surprises me a bit.  But I would not be too surprised, a number of small European companies have done that over the years.  Peter White does that for B&M and possibly some of the other German light companies.  If I buy a B&M light here in USA, it passed through Peter White's hands.

The situation could be worse. There is only a single Rohloff distributor for the entire continent of Africa, Bruce Reyneke Cycles in Pretoria, South Africa. Recently on the Cairo to Cape Town WhatsApp group, a cyclist was asking about where he could find Rohloff oil, and when he contacted Bruce Reyneke, he was told that the shop hasn’t received any new Rohloff oil since Covid!
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Sent my Rohloff in!
« Last post by mickeg on March 16, 2024, 06:49:13 pm »
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I think Peter White became the US distributer quite recently, it was previously Cycle Monkey. 
Even out of warranty, it still might be an option, there's a post on here somewhere about someone getting it done in the UK by SJS, it seemed a reasonable price (Apologies for the vagueness, but I'm sure you can find the thread)

I have often seen on this forum where a UK buyer of a complete bike from SJS was often treated well where the warranty had already expired and where foreign shipping was not involved, so that does not surprise me.

Quite a few years ago I knew someone here in USA who used to be a Rohloff employee, his job was to be the Rohloff representative for USA and at that time Rohloff did not have a sole distributor in USA.  I met him after he left Rohloff, he was managing a small bike shop in my community.  Since then, he has moved on to a different shop that I never have a reason to go to.

If now Rohloff has a single distributor in USA, that surprises me a bit.  But I would not be too surprised, a number of small European companies have done that over the years.  Peter White does that for B&M and possibly some of the other German light companies.  If I buy a B&M light here in USA, it passed through Peter White's hands.
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