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General Technical / Re: this is nice video
« Last post by Danneaux on October 18, 2018, 06:57:46 PM »
Hi All, Dan here.

If you look again at my comment appended to Anto's at the beginning of this thread, I did _not_ say all non-Thorn discussions were prohibited. What I said was...
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They [Thorn] do, however, pay the costs to provide this Forum as a playground for discussion of their branded bikes and related topics...touring, mechanical issues, accessories, all the things that might conceivably be Thorn related or would also work on a Thorn.
That covers a lot of ground!

Unlike the vast majority of general topic Forums, this one is single-maker sponsored and provided. My reason for deleting the link in Anto's post was because it generated interest in -- could be seen as directly promoting -- a bike at the expense of a Thorn, as I clearly stated. Doesn't it seem a little unkind to bite the hand that feeds you? In this case, the video created an instant "I want" that was a pretty clear case of promotion as I saw it, not unlike putting an advertisement for a competing brand of car (Chevrolet) on a forum provided by another maker (Ford). That's why I flagged it and wrote what I did in explanation and it is no different than my reminders in the past. I have fifteen bikes of my own including one Thorn, but refrain from posting about the others because they aren't this marque. It is not true members cannot discuss things that aren't Thorn related; one only has to look at the vast array and breadth of topics on the Forum to see the great diversity in topics. It is precisely why we have a board for "Anything Cycling...non-Thorn related" and a "Muppets" board...plus all the other boards. Though Andre rides a Utopia, he has certainly brought a lot of useful information that has been applicable to Thorns. He certainly has not been censored by me.

I have administered the forum without remuneration and on Thorn's behalf for six years. It has taken a lot of time, often as much as 30-40 hours a week as I administered the back-end, corrected outages, performed server maintenance, removed or prevented spam, contributed to topics myself, and addressed a number of requests for assistance that came offline in the form of PMs and emails. Throughout that time I have documented my administrative activities on a board only other administrators can see so Thorn have been fully advised. I have also been in contact with Robin and with Dave Whittle, who know and have encouraged me in my efforts on behalf of the company and forum. The result has been a pleasant community with little administrative interference, the only real administrative reminders being to be nice to each other, to avoid libelous statements that could result in legal action, and to try and keep things largely focused on Thorn products in general with a few exceptions that can be counted on the fingers of one hand. When things go sour between members and squabbles occur, they don't always trigger actions on my own. Rather, the quieter members send me PMs and emails asking for peace to be restored so they can get back to the usual calm tenor of the Forum. Most of the complaints and comments about the actions of other members come to me offline in PMs and emails and I am responsive to those.

When there have been squabbles, much has gone on behind the scenes that users do not see, which is how it should be. In John's case, he and Anto have a long history between them in real-life transactions and on this forum and other forums. Each has contacted me about the other and I have done my best to weigh in fairly between them. In a personal communiqué which I still have, John wrote and asked I delete his account. After giving him a full day to change his mind I granted his wish, which he apparently immediately regretted. He was banned by the previous administrator for his past actions, as his former absence from the Forum shows.

I have been in contact with Robin on this (present) topic from the beginning and we are working on a plan going forward. Independently, I am also pondering my time commitment to the Forum, as it has taken time from my regular job, recreation and touring with no compensation except what came from keeping things running generally smoothly and pleasantly and helping others. Stay tuned, for there will likely be changes in the works as the Forum evolves.

As for my statement that...
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The best way to support the Forum and ensure its future is to purchase things from Thorn/SJS Cycles so it will be worth their while to continue.
...it is true. If you love the bikes, then it is worthwhile considering a purchase from the company that makes them!

With best regards to all,

Dan.
Thorn Cycling Forum Administrator
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General Technical / Re: this is nice video
« Last post by bobs on October 18, 2018, 06:03:55 PM »
Maybe we all need to make more of the "Muppets thread" 
John as someone  who has suffered poor health I would have thought that you would have embraced the ebike concept as a way of extending your enjoyment of the outdoors. Perhaps you don't fully understand the concept or how they work. I for one would get one when the time comes.

Bob
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General Technical / Re: this is nice video
« Last post by jags on October 18, 2018, 05:44:18 PM »
nothing wrong with Ebikes  nothing at all.
mind you i admit i post CRAP every now and again difference is  there all in good fun that's were me and you differ ;)

jags.
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General Technical / Re: this is nice video
« Last post by rualexander on October 18, 2018, 05:23:40 PM »
If we're not allowed to discuss things that aren't Thorn related then why do we have this section of the forum :
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General Technical / Re: this is nice video
« Last post by leftpoole on October 18, 2018, 04:08:01 PM »
Attention!
I have three (3) Thorn bikes! Or in actual fact two complete and one new build. Ask sakes at SJSC to confirm.
I have been deleted in the past and in fact I find Dans over enthusiastic approach to the forum infuriating. For the most the Forum is for talking about Thorn cycles to encourage others to buy Thorn. It’s no problem.
But talking about other stuff including crap electrically powered bikes is just what it is, talk!
I can’t abide e bikes and can’t abide some comment from other Forum members but,,,, Dan is and has been stepping out of line in my opinion.’
Some people have nothing better to do than start conversations about rubbish. Let them!
Regards,
John
PS:- I have three Condor cycles also plus a very old rusty Colnago ready to be restored. Offers willingly discussed!
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General Technical / Re: this is nice video
« Last post by jags on October 18, 2018, 01:00:52 PM »
It is the first time I have ever agreed with deletion of posts!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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General Technical / Re: this is nice video
« Last post by jags on October 18, 2018, 12:57:45 PM »
Bob i had 3 thorn bikes still ride my audax,i didn't mean any harm posting the video wasn't trying to wind anyone up in any way, just letting you guys see the first rohloff ebike which i thing is super cool.

Dan you went a bit to far this time for my liking it is after all members just chatting to one another about bikes for gods sake no need to be jumping on the adm delete button everytime you think mr thorn will have a baby if his brand is not mentioned.

anyway i'n off to play golf not a thorn bike in sight have a nice day.

Anto.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Chain Tensioning
« Last post by Thomas777 on October 18, 2018, 12:43:52 PM »
My wife's bike,not a Thorn, is a Dutch step through touring bike that we bought a few years ago while in Europe at the end of our tour. I built it up ,after painting as it came in raw steel, with a derailleur set up. But soon changed it over to a Rohloff which she really likes!
We just returned from a 2 month tour in Europe and a few times during the trip I had to re-tension the chain. It is a simple matter, just loosen the sliding dropouts and pull the wheel back. But as much as I have worked on her bike I never noticed the 2 small threaded units that would accommodate screws to " push" the dropouts back. After contacting the shop in Rotterdam,Bikes4 Travel, they said that was used for tensioning belt drives and it is not necessary for chain drive.
Well back home after the trip I was cleaning up the bike fitting a new chain I installed the 2 adjuster screws.
I like 'em!!!

Would like to hear more from others.
Thanks!!
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General Technical / Re: this is nice video
« Last post by bikepacker on October 18, 2018, 11:48:26 AM »
[color=redThey do, however, pay the costs to provide this Forum as a playground for discussion of their branded bikes and related topics...touring, mechanical issues, accessories, all the things that might conceivably be Thorn related or would also work on a Thorn. All the best,  Dan.][/color]

What exactly would the costs be for providing this forum?
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General Technical / Re: this is nice video
« Last post by bobs on October 18, 2018, 11:01:16 AM »
Hi John,

Is that because you and Jags have history or because you don't like E bikes. How would you feel if it was a post about  Brooks saddles that was deleted because SJSC  had stopped selling them and any discussion was against Thorns/SJSC interest .
There is a member of this forum who contributes a great deal to the forum but doesn't own a Thorn bike. Is he to be censored and not allowed to discuss his Utopia bike.
As far as I know Jags has had 2 Thorns
and has contributed his fair share.

Bob
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